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@ 2018-03-12 22:33:00

*yawn* Atklāts kārtējais "aziātu" pedofilu rings iekš UK, par kuru varas iestādes klusēja un atsacījās izmeklēt 40 gadus cuz muh raycicizm, tikmēr par domu noziegumiem gaida arests.

Man patīk koments. Un nē, nevis tāpēc, ka asinskāre ja, bet cilvēki to visu zināja, vecāki zināja, sociālie darbinieki zināja, menti zināja, tikai ļevoku valdība neļāva neko darīt lietas sakarā. Kā normāli cilvēki to vispār spēj paciest? Varbūt pastāv kāds determinisms un tautām tiešām ar laiku vieta darvina mēslainē (izņemot izredzētos, protams).

I just don't understand. 40 years of rape. 1000+ little girls. Where were their fathers? Why no angry mobs and street lamps decorations? You are afraid of police? Really? Who cares? Your daughter was raped.
At least you can find where gang gathers and burn this place with them inside.
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Exactly, this shit would be unacceptable here. The fathers, brothers, cousins, friends, would make these degenerates disappear, with the help of police even.

Politiķu degradantisms un nodevība ir pierasta lieta, bet kšatriji parasti nav liberasti un deģenerāti tādā stadijā vai vismaz ne tādā formā un vecāki stāv kā klintis savu bērnu priekšā, bet laikam vēsture visu vēl nav redzējusi.

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ze
2018-03-13 20:57 (saite)

"...lai nevajadzētu atzīt, ka jā, mūsu pilsētas policija gadu desmitiem ņēmusi kukuļus no šī organizētā tīkla".

Ir kādas liecības par šī izteikuma patiesumu? Nepierādītas apsūdzības policijas virzienā ir pamatotākas par argumentētām (UK pilsonis nupat adekvāti izklāstīja savu insider perspektīvu) norādēm uz PC kultūras vainu šo gadījumu noklusēšanā? Tad man ir jājautā pie kādiem nosacījumiem tu būtu gatava atzīt, ka politkorektums ir pamatā tam, ka seksuāli noziegumi, kurus pastrādā musulmaņi, tiek izmeklēti attūrīgi politisku iemeslu dēļ? Izskatās, ka tu esi gatava ķerties pie pēdējā salmiņa, lai aizskaidrotu prom politkorektuma graujošo ietekmi uz tiesiskumu, bet tai pat laikā pilnīgi brīvi un bez jelkādiem pierādījumiem vaino britu policiju sadarbībā ar noziedziniekiem.

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hedera
2018-03-13 21:07 (saite)

Liecības? Nez, visa organizētās noziedzības vēsture, kur izrādījies, ka šāda apjoma tīkli var eksistēt gadu desmitiem lielā mērā tieši pateicoties korupcijai policijā, man šķiet gana stabils pamats, uz kura izteikt šādu minējumu.
Par pārējo gana daudz jau esmu izteikusies komentāros. Īsumā: man grūti saprast, ka vienā kultūrtelpā var koeksistēt gan proporcionāli milzīgs skaits notiesāto "krāsaino" noziedznieku, gan tai pat laikā policija un tiesas, kas raustās no PC. Head-scratcher.

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PC Head Scratcher

brookings
2018-03-13 21:53 (saite)

From the Office of National Statistics:
"You asked please could you provide me with the ethnic breakdown of those committing the crimes included in the recently released statistics found here:

We said
Thank you for your request regarding statistics relating to ethnicity of offenders.

The statistics published in our quarterly publication 'Crime in England and Wales' are based on victims and do not cover the characteristics of offenders. Therefore we are unable to provide an ethnic breakdown of the offenders associated with the crimes covered by our report ‘Crime in England and Wales: year ending March 2017’.

Stats are available in the US - not a head scratcher: more a "!?!"

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No wiki: stop scratching: all your hair will fall out

brookings
2018-03-13 22:01 (saite)

Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.[25] Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".[26]

In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[29]

Tā tad: 10.6% of London's inhabitants committed 54% of street crimes, 59% of robberies, 67% of gun crimes. You couldn't cover that up: just PC PC PC stop recording the information re the race of culprit.

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	Re: No wiki: stop scratching: all your hair will fall out heda 2018-03-13 22:08 (saite)
	Vai britu policija arī vairs neuzrāda meklēto noziedznieku pazīmes? (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais) (Diskusija)

	Re: No wiki: stop scratching: all your hair will fall out brookings 2018-03-13 22:14 (saite)
	par to, es nezinu: tomēr izskatās, ka viņi vairs nesakopo info par etnisko piederību (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

	Re: No wiki: stop scratching: all your hair will fall out brookings 2018-03-13 22:17 (saite)
	sensitive topic (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

	Re: No wiki: stop scratching: all your hair will fall out krishjaanis2 2018-03-15 00:23 (saite)
	And 'tis the data from distant past of 10 years! (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

brookings
2018-03-13 22:54 (saite)

So just to make it absolutely clear: according to these London figures black offenders should constitute approx 54 - 67% of the prison population (so between 5.4 and 6.7 times what would you expect based just on their population of 10.6%).

According to the figures you pulled out of the Guardian article, black people make up 3% of the population in England and Wales and 12% of the prison population'. That's 4 times higher.

IF you can extrapolate the rate of crime by race in London to England and Wales as a whole, then there should be MORE black people in prison than there actually are.

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	hedera 2018-03-13 23:04 (saite)
	Bet cik pamatota ir šāda ekstrapolācija? Vai proporcija "kopējais noziedznieku skaits/kopējais iedzīvotāju skaits" ir līdzīga starp Londonu un pārējo Angliju+Velsu? Neesmu baigais socioloģijas spečuks, bet vai nav tā, ka lielpilsētās noziedzības līmenis ir ievērojami augstāks par mazām pilsētām un lauku apvidiem? (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais) (Diskusija)

brookings
2018-03-13 23:12 (saite)

I wrote 'if'- though, you know, we have plenty of big cities other than London in England and Wales, so I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to speculate based on this extrapolation.

In general though, saulit: izbeidz - if you can't see the disproportionate level of crime in the black community and you don't think there's anything dodgy about no longer recording the race of offender, then...

I can't help you.

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hedera
2018-03-14 08:46 (saite)

Not entirely unreasonable, but far-fetched nevertheless. This is statistics, not arithmetics.

"if you can't see the disproportionate level of crime in the black community" is a straw-men, I never commented on that, moreover, I specifically wrote that I am not commenting on that due to my incompetence, so no need to get your panties in a twist.

But I agree it looks shady to suddenly stop recording the race of offenders, in this aspect I can see your point about PC.

Your general argument, however, looks lousy and forced in the end: with enough torture of statistics we can see how the high rates of convicted BAME criminals prove that police is afraid to arrest BAME criminals due to PC. Ok, sure.

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brookings
2018-03-14 10:07 (saite)

okay - apologies for the tone. It was late and I had had a snifter.

But let's look at what you wrote:

" Īsumā: man grūti saprast, ka vienā kultūrtelpā var koeksistēt gan proporcionāli milzīgs skaits notiesāto "krāsaino" noziedznieku, gan tai pat laikā policija un tiesas, kas raustās no PC. Head-scratcher."

If I understand correctly, then you're confused about how there can be high levels of black incarceration and yet at the same time reluctance to prosecute due to PC culture: right?

I pointed out that in London at least (and that is the only place we have stats for: the paper had to even use the Freedom of Information Act to get this data), black crime is way higher - in fact as I pointed out it 'could' suggest that the prison population as a whole should be higher. It would be nice if we had info for the country as a whole, which... leads me on to my next point (which you agree with):

If we don't have this info, it is much easy for the Labour PC left to blame racism in the police force and judicial system for the resultant high black incarceration rates. I mean what other reason could there be? You're surely not suggesting that black people commit more crime? What are you, racist? (Irony)

However, in general, this wasn't point that I really wanted to make. My main point was rather the reluctance (documented) of the failure to go after grooming/rape gangs in (mainly) Northern towns with high Muslim populations as this is an organised cultural phenomenon with roots in the religious ideology of the community. This is much harder than catching and prosecuting a black mugger in London - no one really has too much of a problem of that (as I mentioned earlier the PC pollutant here is the refusal to compile stats on the race of the offender). If you still don't believe me, fine - but I would recommend you look at the testimony of the two female Labour MPs who finally blew the whistle: not pretty.

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	brookings 2018-03-14 10:12 (saite)
	'... that the black prison population should be. higher than it is....' (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

	brookings 2018-03-15 12:51 (saite)
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told to remove the word 'Asian'

brookings
2018-03-15 13:08 (saite)

More from the same journalist on the PC minefield that hampered the investigations:

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GB_aiKtyc4"

Having said that I am starting to come round to the view that some police were using PC as a way of excusing their failure to investigate - the real reason in some cases may have been that they were getting paid off by the gangs. Here, PC plays a more indirect role in the scandal.

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	Re: told to remove the word 'Asian' hedera 2018-03-15 14:04 (saite)
	It's as you said earlier - these things are not so simple as some people would like to believe. (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais) (Diskusija)

	Re: told to remove the word 'Asian' brookings 2018-03-15 14:08 (saite)
	Let's agree on that. (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

	Re: told to remove the word 'Asian' brookings 2018-03-20 15:37 (saite)
	Interesting chat if you have time regarding the experience of an apostate in England, British values, application of the law and so on. (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais) (Diskusija)

	Re: told to remove the word 'Asian' brookings 2018-03-20 15:37 (saite)
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	krishjaanis2 2018-03-15 00:25 (saite)
	Bet, bet bet.. Nepaliek smieklīgi? Vienā mirklī šo 'bet' sakrāšanās jau automātiski ieslēdz sofistikas detektorus. Kāpēc tev par katru cenu ir tik ļoti, ļoti jānopūlās, lai attaisnotu noteiktās demogrāfiskās grupas paaugstinātu kriminalitātes līmeni? Dabūsi nobelu? (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais) (Diskusija)

	hedera 2018-03-15 14:06 (saite)
	Ak jele, tu jau esi tā ieracies sava kultūrkara tranšejās, ka nemāki vairs lasīt un sekot līdzi diskusijai? Tavs salmu vīrs drīzāk pelnījis filosofijas diplomu nekā tu. :( (Atbildēt uz šo) (Iepriekšējais)

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