Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:00 am

Nopietni, ja uz zvaigznes uzlietu pietiekami daudz ūdens, vai tā nodzistu?

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:03 am
[info]jojo

problēma būtu sagādāt pietiekami daudz ūdens.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:04 am
[info]sirdna

Pieņemsim, ka ūdens mums ir.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:04 am
[info]jojo

pietiekami daudz?

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:07 am
[info]sirdna

mhm.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:08 am
[info]jojo

varētu. bet ar ļoti ļoti ļoti daudz.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:04 am
[info]divi_g

Domāju, ka jā, jo agri vai vēlu izdotos panākt temperatūras krišanos līdz tādai, kurā kodolreakcija vairs nenotiek, taču domāju, ka skaitli, cik daudz ūdens būtu vajadzīgs, ir ļooooooti grūti iedomāties...
Uzraksti šeit: http://what-if.xkcd.com/

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:11 am
[info]watt

domāju ka nē, jo tas būtu tā pat kā dzēst ugunskuru ar benzīnu (precīzāk, ar gatavu benzīna un skābekļa maisījumu).

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:14 am
[info]sirdna

ā, tas ir ūdens sadalītos par ūdeņradi un skābekli, un zvaigznei to vien vajag?

He, tad jau varbūt labāk dzēst zvaigznes ar benzīnu?

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:19 am
[info]martcore

uzreiz ar propānu iesaku

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:57 am
[info]barvins

Nevajag aizmirst, kas te ir galvenais mērķis, ja - ja gribi kļūt par pasaules valdnieku, tad vienalga, vai piedraudi ar saules nodzēšanu vai uzkurināšanu, abi varianti der.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:19 am
[info]divi_g

Mhm, good point.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:18 am
[info]rediiss

kaut kur dzirdēju, ka zvaignzes vislabāk dzēst, iemetot tajās dzelzs klucīti. bet tā kā ķīmija nav mana stiprā puse, tad es nemācēšu izskaidrot, kāpēc.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:30 am
[info]eermaniitis: Bingo! p.s. kodolfizika

Fusion occurs when atoms are pushed together with such force that they 'fuse'. It takes energy to do this, which is supplied by the pressure of gravity inside a star. This causes Hydrogen (the lightest element) to fuse to Helium (the second lightest). A byproduct of this is more energy, which pushes against the gravity and creates light, heat, etc. Just as burning wood releases energy to create heat and light as well (but burning is a different process than fusion). The energy released by fusion is greater than the energy needed to create it. Fusion is one of the most efficient forms of energy release we know of.

Eventually, the Hydrogen runs out, and the energy to push against the gravity of the star weakens. The gravity pushes harder, and this more powerful energy is enough to begin fusing helium, which takes slightly more energy than Helium. The star gets a new lease on life.

Finally, after several cycles of this fusion of heavier and heavier elements, the star is left with only iron in the core. Iron is so heavy it takes more energy to fuse it than you liberate from the process. So the gravity takes over and the star collapses. The pressure waves 'bounce' off the core and cause the upper layers (which are not iron) to explode in a supernova. Depending on the mass of the star, it eventually ends up as a dwarf, neutron star or black hole.

So iron to a star is a lot like celery - it takes more energy to digest than you get from eating it. If you lived on nothing but celery, you'd eventually starve, no matter how much of it you consumed. Same thing with a star and iron.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:43 am
[info]rediiss: Re: Bingo! p.s. kodolfizika

aha aha, kaut kas šitā apmēram arī bija - kad zvaigznē rodas dzelzs, tad skaiti, ka viss, čau.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:31 am
[info]napalmeye

Dzelzs ir visstabilākais elements un gan tā saskaldīšanai, gan apvienošanai vajag papildus enerģiju. Metot zvaigznē dzelzi, masa, kas var reaģēt un dot papildu enerģiju, tiek atšķaidīta. Augstāka numura elementi rodas, ja pareizi atceros, tikai supernovās.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:25 am
[info]dunduks

Sauli noteikti nē, bet citas varbūt jā.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:44 am
[info]rediiss

kapēc tā?

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 12:26 pm
[info]dunduks

Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen, which is fuel for the Sun’s fusion. But more importantly, the extra mass also makes the Sun heavier. This crushes it together more tightly and makes fusion happen faster. This means it will burn more brightly and run through its fuel more quickly.

As you keep adding water, the Sun will go through a lot of wacky fusion phases. (During one phase, called a helium flash, the reaction rate is proportional to the 40th power of the temperature—which is probably the largest exponent I’ve ever seen in a physics equation!)

But one way or another, eventually the whole thing will collapse in on itself, blow off its outer layers, and become a black hole. This black hole will keep soaking up water, spraying off X-rays in the process, until finally the municipal water department notices what you’ve been doing and shuts off your service.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:27 am
[info]bozena

Pie viena lūdzu aprēķināt, vai zvaigzni var nodzēst, pietiekami lielā apjomā tai uzčurājot (izmantojot analoģiju ar zināmo čurāšanu ugunskurā).

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:52 am
[info]sirdna

Aha, šitas ir riktīgais!

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 11:50 am
[info]misame

Šajā video pret vidu tas ir paskaidrots http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hYf6av21x5c

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 12:28 pm
[info]dunduks: Labs saits priekš šādiem kāpēcīšiem

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 12:40 pm
[info]black_data

Ugunsdzēsēji te pat uz grēcīgās zemes ne visur gāž ūdeni, ibo pie noteiktas temperatūras šis maita sadalās ūdeņradī un skābeklī.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 02:09 pm
[info]unpy

Jāsāk no otra gala - tā kā ir gana daudz nodzisušu zvaigžņu, tad varam pieņemt, ka tās ir nodzēstas tieši ar ūdeni, kālab gan ne.

Wed, Mar. 6th, 2013, 02:24 pm
[info]starro

tikai tad, ja lietu naktī, kad nav tik karsts