well there is this: https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2021-05-27/bbc-radio-presenter-died-after-suffering-blood-clots-family-says.

You can go to the MHRA Yellow card website if you want to see the list of fatalities and adverse effects. Knock yourself out. By the way, colleagues of mine suffered some quite appalling adverse reactions - much worse that they or I had ever experienced from other vaccines.

Re Latvia, I was told of a cop who died after the vaccine. The wife and brother want an investigation, but you wouldn't accept it as it isn't in a peer-reviewed paper or the information portals you read.

As for your inclinations, sorry pal: couldn't care less.

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From your previous comment I got the impression that you knew some people who died from covid vaccine. So my impression was incorrect, you did not know anybody personally?

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I know OF people

NOT

I Know people

In reaction to Martcore knowing OF a reporter who lost a lung, not knowing someone.

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seriously? brookings, seriously??

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YES!!!!

'know of' is different. Did you personally know this reporter? That's why I wrote 'know of'. If I wanted to say I knew an acquaintance, I would write I know someone who - or I personally know someone who. Like I did in Point 8.

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Yes, sorry, my bad - and I did ask to clarify. So now it is clear, brookings has no personal acquaintances who have died of covid vaccine. Good to know.

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Yes, your bad. I never claimed I did know anyone personally.

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Yes, I am not native English speaker. And I do ask questions to get things clarified. I think it works just fine. What I would expect from you is that you ask persons who tell you that somebody died from covid vaccine in Latvia that they clarify how they know it, how come that death is not in the official statistics, etc. Getting things clarified by asking questions is a fantastic tool, we should all use it more.

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god, bļ, bless
viņš arī prot nobiedēt cilvēkus

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it is quite unconvincing, when you are not burning corpses on the streets, doesn't it?

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Yes, you can say the same thing about Covid deaths.
But I note that there is a serious discrepancy regarding the level of scepticism employed when stating who died/fell ill with a vaccine and who died/fell ill with Covid.

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He mentioned a particular, identifiable case. You did not.

Now let me introduce to a list of people whom I know personally, who have taken the vaccine and are just fine.

my wife
my mom and dad
my brother and his son
3 cousins (probably more, but to these ones I have talked)
1 cousin's husband
several colleagues (I am too lazy to count them)
next door neighbour

There are surely more, but I accounted here only those which I remembered immediately and was 100% sure that they have taken the jab. The group consists of people of very different ages, from just above 18 to over 70.

And I do not know anybody personally who would have any serious side effects, what to speak of death. Some reported absolutely nothing to note besides a bit of pain in the arm for about a day.

Now it would be nice to hear accounts of people you know. No exaggerations please, and only clear, confirmed reports. Thanks!

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Hmm - I know personally about 50 people. Not really a great sample size, is it?

One particular case is the BBC journalist. Did I not give you a link? I can do so again should you require it.

If that is not enough, please visit the MHRA web page for info on adverse reactions and fatalities. Do you need a link to that, sir?

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I had read about that journalist before. Guess what - journalists do indeed die. And if 1 out of 100 000 has a risk of dying after taking the vaccine, that 1 might as well be a journalist.

I do not know many people personally, at least to extent of being in contact with them on a regular basis. So sample size is what it is. However, my sample confirms the official statistics and risk assessment. Good enough for me.

How about you?

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Sample size of 10? Whatever winds your clock.
We, of course, don't know about long-term effects. I will help with that by volunteering to be in the control group.

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I knew you would throw in something new when your previous claims (vaccine kills) turn out impossible to prove. Long-term effects can and should be studied and risk accordingly assessed and managed - by doctors. Which is already being done. If you want to go on living in fear of all possible risks, good luck, I personally don't think that is any good strategy. In a long-term analysis we will all be dead anyway.

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MHRA website in the UK

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By the way, I will get my jab next week. Let's see how I get recorded in the statistics, both official, personal, quasi-personal, or ciba-ish.

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Enjoy your freedom: scan your QR code with happiness.

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I read in media about a woman who died - she was eating oysters and choked.

Shall I now never again touch oysters? Or perhaps any food? Because there is a supertiny possibility that I might choke, and in case I do choke, a supertiny possibility that I might die?

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Your choice - just like the vaccine should be.

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Vaccine is a choice. I as not vaccinated - and will not be fully vaccinated until some time in August - have not been forced, and guess what, I have never ever experienced any differential treatment whatsoever.

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Well you come here in LV after June 15th and let's see.

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Not sure what you are talking about. Care to explain?

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Seriously good idea: show me you have eaten your oyster - it's easy: just download the app!! All you need to do is to scan the Oyster QR code and you can live with freedom!

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The example was meant to illustrate your reaction to news of one person dying.

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"Re Latvia, I was told of a cop who died after the vaccine."

Really? And I read news that there are no registered deaths connected to vaccine in Latvia.

What now?

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only official stats accepted, of course!
Did you check out the MHRA Yellow Card data? Or the equivalents in the USA or EU?

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So any unofficial claims must be true, is that your point? One thing I know, passive tense is usually used to avoid any responsibility. Was told. But told by whom? If you "were told", why wasn't I told?

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You are impressively desperate. Someone told me, yes.... I was told by someone: amazing!!! I read about the BBC journalist as well. And there are others, too. If you were curious, you could search for them and evaluate for yourself. Why I should do your work for you is beyond me. You are highly unlikely to be convinced by anything you don't want to be - in my opinion.

If you want official data, visit the official sites and then draw your own conclusions. You can start with the MHRA site if you like.

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No, you are desperate. You clinge to one person's claim that somebody died while official statistics say no-one died. Are you ready to give me some hints as to why I should trust an unidentified person?

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Cling?
The relatives want an autopsy.

But forget him if you like: visit - and this for the very last time - the MHRA site: for the UK total fatalities: 1,253, total reactions: 888,196 as of 26/05.

Make your own mind up and get jabbed if you like. I couldn't care less. I care about the restrictions that will be ever tightened on us who decline (having to pay for regular (and intrusive) tests, not being able to work and so on).

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"The relatives want an autopsy."

And? Why claim that the person died from the vaccine before a conclusion?

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Regarding your claim about fatalities in the UK. Took me 5 minutes to understand where your misunderstanding comes from.

"A number of posts on Instagram and Facebook have claimed that the Covid-19 vaccine is causing more deaths per day than Covid-19 in the UK.

The image falsely claims that there have been 1,102 “vaccine deaths”. That figure actually relates to how many people died following a Covid-19 vaccine, not necessarily because of it. Considering that 36 million people have had their first dose, that’s how many we would have expected to die from other causes in that time. There is no proof that those deaths were caused by the vaccine."

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

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It took you 5 minutes to go to Full fact where you read that they would have died anyway.

And that they 'aren’t necessarily' linked to vaccines.

Good for you. Believe what you want. Take the vaccine. I applaud you. It should be your free choice, as it should be mine.

By the way, have Full Fact funded by Facebook done any research into the actual number of people who have died of Covid 19?

I mean are there any Full-Fact investigations that have concluded:

No, just because you die within 28 days of a positive test, probably PCR at high cycle threshold, doesn’t mean you necessarily died of Covid. The number of per-capita age-adjusted deaths in the UK are what we would normally see.

Genuine question.

Send me the link if such a report exists.

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"The number of per-capita age-adjusted deaths in the UK are what we would normally see."
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111804/weekly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/
april 20
winter 21

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I believe age-adjusted per capita was the ninth-worst year since 2000.
By the way, I don't think covid isn't a thing. There were clear spikes of excess mortality among the older people in two waves. My point was regarding the biased nature of Full Fact investigations and the spin they employ. My issue is this: there should be no coerced vaccination of people at very little risk. It is as simple as that. See the original post.

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You are changing the topic. We are talking about the vaccine and its side effects, including death. You have provided a number of deaths because of the vaccine, but the number is something different.

And even if there were 1000+ deaths from vaccine, that is out of I think 35 million vaccinated (correct me if I am wrong). Now I will not spend time calculating for you the percentage. And neither will I spend time comparing it to the mortality percentage for covid and getting vaccinated. We are all adults here and asking for links or explaining abc can be skipped, I think.

P.s. If you want to question the number of deaths from covid, then you should be able to get the data of excess mortality for 2020. At least for Sweden it is somewhat correlating to the reported number of deaths from covid.

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The topic of the post was originally one thing and one thing only: coerced vaccination for people not at risk.

Neither you nor I can prove the number of vaccine deaths. The number could be higher, due to doctors not being willing to blame the vaccine (or simply not using the yellow card system at all; or lower, due to people being too quick to blame the vaccine. There was, somewhere, a collation of graphs showing vaccination rates and death rates in each country. From memory, it showed a spike of deaths in many countries following the roll out of mass vaccination programmes. IF those stats are reliable, I would guess that many people 'who would have died anyway' died earlier than they would have done as these vaccines can have a debilitating effect in the short term. But I am speculating.

Re mortality in the UK, it is just over 1% of the population. Sometimes it is higher, sometimes lower. It is higher than the last 5 years, but lower than many years before that.

Latvia didn't have excess mortality in 2020, but it will do in 2021. 2 moths earlier in the year there were over 3,000 deaths a month (which is rare - you sometimes get one month over this figure, but the next one is lower). It's been down to more normal levels for a while now - though last week's figure was quite high for June (about 650). I don't know why there was an increase, of course. I could speculate, but I don't think it would be productive.

What I do know is there is - even during these months of higher than usual mortality, no higher levels of mortality in those under 75. This is the reason I think coerced vaccination of these groups is really solely for the purpose of easing/forcing in if the Covid Pass, which I am, you will have gathered by now, totally against.

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It remains to see how much excess mortality Latvia will have. I don't even like the term “excess mortality” because it is too technical and doesn't really describe what is going on.

My aunt died recently. She was 87 y.o. and bedridden. She had been very depressed for some years and wished to die because she couldn't even turn over without the help of a carer. Then she got covid from a carer, was hospitalized, recovered but passed away soon afterwards. Did covid hasten her demise? Most likely? We were sad that it happened but was it a tragedy or rather a blessing, a final release from unending sufferings? It is not for us to say but I am sure that many stories are like this. The average age of death in the UK was something like 84 years, more than average life expectancy. We were mostly fed stories about sob cases of younger people dying with yet unfulfilled life but almost never about people who longed for death and welcomed it.

With regards to my aunt – can her death even be considered an “excess”? That's my issue with this indicator. If we had a disease that killed mostly young people, excess mortality would be the same while quality adjusted life-years (QALY) lost could be hundreds of times higher. It doesn't make sense to see those two things as equal and yet here we are.

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Ok, good luck then, what else can I say... Keep believing vaccine killing many people, and keep believing in the grand conspiracy of enforcing covid pass for some great control reasons.

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By the way, I have seen news, with photos and so on of journalists getting the jab, and then being fine. Why do I have to focus only on one case where the person died?

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