It took you 5 minutes to go to Full fact where you read that they would have died anyway.

And that they 'aren’t necessarily' linked to vaccines.

Good for you. Believe what you want. Take the vaccine. I applaud you. It should be your free choice, as it should be mine.

By the way, have Full Fact funded by Facebook done any research into the actual number of people who have died of Covid 19?

I mean are there any Full-Fact investigations that have concluded:

No, just because you die within 28 days of a positive test, probably PCR at high cycle threshold, doesn’t mean you necessarily died of Covid. The number of per-capita age-adjusted deaths in the UK are what we would normally see.

Genuine question.

Send me the link if such a report exists.

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"The number of per-capita age-adjusted deaths in the UK are what we would normally see."
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111804/weekly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/
april 20
winter 21

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I believe age-adjusted per capita was the ninth-worst year since 2000.
By the way, I don't think covid isn't a thing. There were clear spikes of excess mortality among the older people in two waves. My point was regarding the biased nature of Full Fact investigations and the spin they employ. My issue is this: there should be no coerced vaccination of people at very little risk. It is as simple as that. See the original post.

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You are changing the topic. We are talking about the vaccine and its side effects, including death. You have provided a number of deaths because of the vaccine, but the number is something different.

And even if there were 1000+ deaths from vaccine, that is out of I think 35 million vaccinated (correct me if I am wrong). Now I will not spend time calculating for you the percentage. And neither will I spend time comparing it to the mortality percentage for covid and getting vaccinated. We are all adults here and asking for links or explaining abc can be skipped, I think.

P.s. If you want to question the number of deaths from covid, then you should be able to get the data of excess mortality for 2020. At least for Sweden it is somewhat correlating to the reported number of deaths from covid.

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The topic of the post was originally one thing and one thing only: coerced vaccination for people not at risk.

Neither you nor I can prove the number of vaccine deaths. The number could be higher, due to doctors not being willing to blame the vaccine (or simply not using the yellow card system at all; or lower, due to people being too quick to blame the vaccine. There was, somewhere, a collation of graphs showing vaccination rates and death rates in each country. From memory, it showed a spike of deaths in many countries following the roll out of mass vaccination programmes. IF those stats are reliable, I would guess that many people 'who would have died anyway' died earlier than they would have done as these vaccines can have a debilitating effect in the short term. But I am speculating.

Re mortality in the UK, it is just over 1% of the population. Sometimes it is higher, sometimes lower. It is higher than the last 5 years, but lower than many years before that.

Latvia didn't have excess mortality in 2020, but it will do in 2021. 2 moths earlier in the year there were over 3,000 deaths a month (which is rare - you sometimes get one month over this figure, but the next one is lower). It's been down to more normal levels for a while now - though last week's figure was quite high for June (about 650). I don't know why there was an increase, of course. I could speculate, but I don't think it would be productive.

What I do know is there is - even during these months of higher than usual mortality, no higher levels of mortality in those under 75. This is the reason I think coerced vaccination of these groups is really solely for the purpose of easing/forcing in if the Covid Pass, which I am, you will have gathered by now, totally against.

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It remains to see how much excess mortality Latvia will have. I don't even like the term “excess mortality” because it is too technical and doesn't really describe what is going on.

My aunt died recently. She was 87 y.o. and bedridden. She had been very depressed for some years and wished to die because she couldn't even turn over without the help of a carer. Then she got covid from a carer, was hospitalized, recovered but passed away soon afterwards. Did covid hasten her demise? Most likely? We were sad that it happened but was it a tragedy or rather a blessing, a final release from unending sufferings? It is not for us to say but I am sure that many stories are like this. The average age of death in the UK was something like 84 years, more than average life expectancy. We were mostly fed stories about sob cases of younger people dying with yet unfulfilled life but almost never about people who longed for death and welcomed it.

With regards to my aunt – can her death even be considered an “excess”? That's my issue with this indicator. If we had a disease that killed mostly young people, excess mortality would be the same while quality adjusted life-years (QALY) lost could be hundreds of times higher. It doesn't make sense to see those two things as equal and yet here we are.

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Ok, good luck then, what else can I say... Keep believing vaccine killing many people, and keep believing in the grand conspiracy of enforcing covid pass for some great control reasons.

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