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@ 2019-02-06 20:10:00

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But the scientist is right, up until 24 weeks in the UK a foetus is just a bundle of string and wires, the next day after the 24th week is up it magically transforms into a human being. That is settled science and will be forever settled until the abortion lobby in the UK push for later abortions.

In many other countries in Europe though the string and wire bundle magically transforms into a baby after only just 12 weeks! That's settled science, unless the woman makes a different choice later as in many European countries and she can push to have a later abortion, with permission from health professionals who undo the magic spell on the "baby," and return it to it's string and wires state, before yanking it out.

New York have just said the magic human spell doesn't happen until the string and wires are born, then they become human. That's settled science.

In Virginia now it seems the ball of string and wires even after birth can be torn apart on request of the "mother," in consultation with the "Magic man (doctor)" Who could also perform the "human spell" after birth to turn the string into a baby, it's the woman's choice. That's settled science.

This is why I don't have an opinion on abortion really, as the so called experts are just setting abitrary limits and playing God deciding when a foetus is classed as human, is it 12 weeks, 24 weeks, the point of delivery, after birth, what is it? What is a good cut off point? These experts are just flaying around, throwing random numbers out there and trying to justify it by pretending there is some sort of scientific method at work there, these people just view the child as a piece of string and wires as it makes it easier for them to kill it, they try to hide from the horrific nature of abortion behind white coats.

That being said I am not against all abortion. I just dislike the flippant way it is being viewed as a legitimate lifestyle choice instead of being one of the hardest decisions a person should ever have to make. And also I dislike the arrogant nature of the experts who pretend to know what the cut-off point is when a baby becomes human, to try to soothe their guilt and moral qualms and use "settled science," (that none of them can agree on) as a shield as they yank a moving living breathing baby out of it's mother then toss it in the trash. They can't admit to themselves or anyone else they are performing an horrific act, though sometimes, in my opinion, it might be a necessary evil.


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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-10 16:13 (saite)
Pirmkārt nekāda labošana nenotiek, nekad nav notikusi un tev ir zero evidences, ka var noitikt. Otrkārt ne tev, nedz kādqam citam ir piešķirtas tiesības kaut ko "labot" cita cilvēka galvā.

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[info]axsys
2019-02-10 17:32 (saite)
"Otrkārt ne tev, nedz kādqam citam ir piešķirtas tiesības kaut ko "labot" cita cilvēka galvā."

Toties salaust sprandu vai noindēt ir tiesības? Vot šo loģiku gan es nespēju saprast.

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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-10 18:00 (saite)
Jā, to sauc par pašaizsardzību. Visas sabiedrības sankcionēti sodi ir kolektīvs drošības mehānisms. Pretējā gadījumā būtu vidžilantisms un vendettisms kā tas pastāv primitīvākās sabiedrībās.
Veikt zinātniskus eksperimentus ar cilvēkiem nekādā veidā neiekļaujas augstāk minētajā paradigmā. Tas ir kaut kāds clockwork orange līmeņa sūds.

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[info]axsys
2019-02-10 18:07 (saite)
Un? Ja clockwork orange sūds darbojas labāk par cietumiem un karātavām lai samazinātu noziegumu statistiku tad es esmu par clockwork orange sūdu. Ja nē tad neesmu. Pohuj par kkādām paradigmām.

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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-10 23:45 (saite)
Velp, atšķirībā no tevis un Ctulhu, es esmu absolūts totlaitāru distopiju pretinieks, neatkarīgi cik 'efektīvas' tās varētu būt kādu ierobežotu problēmu risināšanā. Let's leave it at that.

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[info]ctulhu
2019-02-10 20:32 (saite)
Nu un izlabot viņu ir labāka pašaizsardzība, ne?

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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-10 23:46 (saite)
Neredzu nekādu jēgu no šiem domu eksperimentiem, jo nekāda labošana nav iespējama un nav evidenču, ka pat attālā nākotnē varētu būt, ja vien mēs nerunājam par samdzeņu čipošanu utml. totalitārām huiņām.

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