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[info]tiesibsargs
2018-07-25 19:16 (saite)
ahh protams, you know that un everything, visi pārējie duraki.

un visus musulmaņus jābāž vienā maisā. wtf, kaut kāds idiotisma komunisms, visi vienādi?

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[info]brookings
2018-07-25 22:02 (saite)
Keep calm.
I'm referring to the Imam.
See link in answer below with regard to the words 'unlawfully' and 'creating disorder'.


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[info]tiesibsargs
2018-07-26 16:04 (saite)
un ko konkrēti sliktu šis imams ir izdarījis?

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[info]brookings
2018-07-26 16:11 (saite)
Pal - it's all listed in replies below. Your comments and questions are, frankly, for the most part absurd, and I will, therefore, be ignoring them from now on.

If you have something interesting, thoughtful, or insightful to say, I will try to find the time to get back to you - but my time is best spent elsewhere - not dealing with the thoughtless, knee-jerk, shallow crap you come out with it.

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[info]brookings
2018-07-25 22:49 (saite)
Okay - you 'aint going to do it, are you?. It is a shame: I used to think you were an intelligent and curious fellow who just got a bad press. Here is what the Imam said - my comments are in parentheses:

"No religion - no culture tolerates extremist behavior."

(banal - redundant)

"The Koran says ‘whoever kills a body unlawfully or for creating disorder in the land, it is as if he has killed the entirety of mankind."

('disorder' is disobedience against Allah and his will- it includes breaking ties with Muslim kith and kin (apostasy). Sunan Abu Dawud (one of that hadith collections about the lives of Muhammed)confirms that the required punishment for fasad (mischief or disorder) is execution or crucifixion. According to some, in the eyes of certain Muslims all non-Muslims who reject Allah and Islam are “spreading corruption”(are thus enemies of Islam and cannot be innocent) and are legitimate targets to be killed. See Quran 5.33: 'Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land'.

"Here is the prayer for all those who have left us. All praise be upon Allah: lord of all the world"(including for you, Kafir)
"The most affectionate: the most merciful
Master of the day of judgement
You alone we worship"
(speak for yourself)

"Guide us to the straight path
The path of those upon whom you have favored."
(Muslims)

"Not of this who have earned your anger."
(You and me, dargais)

"And of those who have gone astray.
Oh Lord, we turn to you
in a state of humility
that you grant us forgiveness and mercy.
We beg your mercy in all of our matters and decisions."

(Reference to Shariah law?)

"Everything that we decide to do in our lives
We ask for your help."






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[info]brookings
2018-07-25 23:53 (saite)
btw the Imam should have said 'unless it is be for murder or spreading disorder/mischief in the land'

see Quaran 5.32 "... He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind..."

Shame he couldn't get it out quite right: changes the meaning somewhat. Probably an honest mistake ;

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[info]tiesibsargs
2018-07-26 16:01 (saite)
šis ir ļoti ļauni. nedari tā.

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[info]brookings
2018-07-26 16:05 (saite)
I am attempting to understand an ideology that is becoming ever more influential in my country of birth. I have criticisms and worries: how is that evil?

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[info]krishjaanis2
2018-07-26 17:10 (saite)
jo? kāpēc tu esi tik neloģisks? vai nu pamato savas domas, vai atpisies atpakaļ savos antifa orku midzeņos.

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[info]krishjaanis2
2018-07-26 19:24 (saite)
Sorry, the wrong number.

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[info]brookings
2018-07-25 23:13 (saite)
Finally, I have just spent a morbid 30 minutes counting up the number of terrorist attacks that took place in August 2017 - the month this video was uploaded:

Islamic: 673 murders
Communist: 16 murders
Far right: 1 murder

Help with the perspective?

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[info]tiesibsargs
2018-07-26 16:02 (saite)
vēl selektīvāk nevarēji skaitīt?

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[info]brookings
2018-07-26 16:04 (saite)
I went through a list of all terror acts for the month listed on wikepedia.
What are you on about?

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[info]tiesibsargs
2018-07-29 17:48 (saite)
vienā mēnesī. kāpēc tieši šajā mēnesī? un ko tas mums parāda?

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[info]brookings
2018-07-30 11:13 (saite)
vienā mēnesī - esmu aizņemts cilveks
kāpēc tieši šajā mēnesī? skaties manu komentāru, ko rakstīju 2018-07-25 23:13.
un ko tas mums parāda? Ka Islams ir musu 'religion of peace' un mēs varam mierīgi norakstīt jebkuru cilvēks, kurš uzdrīkstas šo faktu apšaubīt.

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[info]gnidrologs
2018-07-30 12:00 (saite)
Tas parāda, ka tu apzinoties savu darbību sekas, nodarbojies ar reālu, praktisku kaitniecību pret Eiropu un esi pelnījis reālu sodu.

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[info]krishjaanis2
2018-07-26 17:11 (saite)
tev laikam vienkārši nepatīk fakti

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[info]krishjaanis2
2018-07-25 23:47 (saite)
žurnālist, skaties rupjus ciparus, nevis demagoģizē - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
ja nepatīk kāda ortodoksāla jūda skaitļos balstīts viedoklis, tad varbūt šis derēs:
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Izbāz galvu no smiltīm un atpisies - vairākums muslimu nav savietojami ar eiropeisku dzīvesveidu un pilsonisko vai politisko praksi.

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[info]krishjaanis2
2018-07-26 00:07 (saite)
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article179872516/Verfassungsschutzbericht-Erstmals-ueber-10-000-Salafisten-in-Deutschland.html?wtrid=socialmedia.socialflow....socialflow_twitter

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