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https://apnews.com/article/denmark-cow-tax-greenhouse-gases-9a570518639e0a1990806fd1a05ac11a

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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 06:13 pm
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Jaunzēlandē arī bija, atcēla kad izmeta (izbalsoja) pseidoprogresīvos no valdības.
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 07:01 pm
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Ar subsīdijām lopkopībai es esmu ļoti apmierināts, ir vērts maksāt nodokļus, viņus izmanto samērā saprātīgi
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 07:04 pm
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cik saprātīgi ir subsidēt kancerogēnu pārtikas produktu ražošanu masām?
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:10 pm
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Pie normāli funkcionējošas imūnsistēmas tik zema grāda kancerogenitāti var neņemt vērā. Līdzīga grāda kancerogēni tāpat gadās arī augu izcelsmes pārtikas materiālos, sēnēs utt.

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=8380
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 05:21 pm
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ai, piedod, aizmirsu, ka W.H.O. ir sagājuši kreisumā un neko nesaprot lol

ne tā kā tu, kas uzreiz visu jauki var izskaidrot. paldies.
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 09:44 pm
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"Tūnberga II: Plānprāta atgriešanās"
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 10:06 pm
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mhmhm, dāņi nekad ar saprātīgumu nav izcēlušies
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:11 pm
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Jā skandināvijas valstis bija drusku par daudz sagājušas sociālismā, pseido dabas aizsardzībā utt, tagad lēnām labojas, kā rāda fakti - ne visur un ne uzreiz.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 10:09 pm
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The Telegraph reports:

Denmark will charge farmers up to £80 for every cow in a world-first carbon tax on agriculture as the country tries to encourage people to eat less meat to tackle climate change.

Agriculture is the largest emitting sector in Denmark, a major pork and dairy exporter and the government hopes the tax will help it reach its goals of cutting emissions by 70 per cent this decade.

It will establish a fund with proceeds from the tax to help farmers go green and has put £58 million into feed additives to cut methane emissions from cows.

The new tax, which was agreed upon after negotiations with farming and green groups, will impose a levy of £13.50 per ton of CO2 in 2030, rising to £85 in 2035 although a 60 per cent rebate will be applied.

That will add an initial cost of around £80 per dairy cow, which emits an average of six tonnes of CO2 equivalent, according to Danish green think tank Concito, which cites a Danish government working group.

It could add an extra cost of 23p per kilo of minced beef, according to Denmark’s Minister for Economic Affairs Stephanie Lose.

She said the law would herald “a historic reorganisation and restructuring of Denmark’s land and food production.”

Although the law was passed after negotiations between the main food and farming trade bodies, as well as it, and its largest environmental organisation, it was criticised by some farming groups. Farmers organisation Bæredygtigt Landbrug told the Financial Times that the agreement was crazy and showed that the Government was not listening to farmers.

Torsten Hasforth from Concito said there were some concerns the new law could undercut Danish farmers by increasing imports but the view had been taken that “someone has to start”.

“The whole idea is to spur innovation and solutions from the sector,” he said. “This is an attempt to try something that actually ends up reducing emissions.”

Denmark has one of the highest rates of beef consumption in the world, and the government has some of the most ambitious policies to encourage plant-based eating.

Pork, also very popular in Denmark, emits less but would also be subject to the carbon tax.

Last year Denmark published a world-first plan for how to incentivise the production and consumption of more vegetables and alternative proteins. It came after the government changed national guidelines to reduce meat consumption in line with recommendations for environmentally sustainable diets.

But Danes are less enthusiastic about meat alternatives and say they are less likely to reduce their meat consumption in the near future, compared to other Europeans, according to research from the University of Copenhagen.

Mette Frederiksen, the Danish prime minister, reportedly said she hoped the new tax would pave the way for similar levies elsewhere in the future.

UK Government ministers have previously floated the idea of a tax on British agriculture but backed away from the levies in recent proposals to extend its carbon tax regime.

The European Union has also held discussions about including agriculture in its carbon emissions trading system, but any move would likely face significant opposition from farming groups, who have staged protests across the bloc in recent months.

Full story: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/26/denmark-charge-farmers-per-cow-in-world-first-meat-tax/
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:14 pm
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Un kā jau es izklāstīju agrāk - ja mums ir pietiekami daudz enerģijas (kas nozīmē AES un daudz efektīvākas saules enerģētikas kombināciju + ģeotermālo) tad mēs varam atmest visu šo niekošanos jo spējam CO2 un metānu no atmosfēras savākt atpakaļ rūpnieciski, problēma ir atrisināta.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:29 pm
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ja no klāstīšanas kaut kas mainītos, bet nemainās.
nāksies vien turpināt knapināties, jo neredzu kā šobrīd esošais kapitālisma paveids pieļautu tavus sapņus.
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:33 pm
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Tikai kapitālisms, vairāk atbrīvots no valsts kontroles, tātad privātā kodoldegvielas rūpniecība un reaktoru būve realizēs manus sapņus.

Mazāk sociālisma un noteikumu - vairāk uzņēmības.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:34 pm
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kurās valstīs privātajiem ir aizliegts celt AES?
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:37 pm
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Pašreiz ir pārspīlēta birokrātija saistībā ar AES būvi, viņu vajadzēs būtiski vienkāršot. Nekur neliksies - laika nav daudz.

Noteikumus ir jāizstrādā inženieriem nevis politiski un sociāli orientētiem indivīdiem.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:39 pm
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tā kā tas ir naftas industrijā? vai vēl vaļīgāk?
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:42 pm
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Citādāk, cita specifika, citi procesi => citi protokoli un noteikumi.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:44 pm
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kas tieši tik ļoti sadārdzina procesu? par daudz drošības mēru? kā tā birokrātija izpaužas?
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 26th, 2024 - 11:51 pm
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Pamata problēma ir nepieciešamība dabūt ļoti daudz visādu atļauju savstarpēji nesaistītos kantoros, šito vajag konsolidēt.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 11:22 am
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mhm un tad pēkšņi viss kļūs lēts, drošs un pieejams lol
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 02:00 am
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This
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 07:15 am
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lol x 2

korporatīvā alkatība mūs visus izglābs lol
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 07:44 am
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un protams, sociālisms slikti, un tak pilnīgi pajāt, ka visas AES ir celtas ar valsts atbalstu jeb sociālismu. megalol
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 08:55 am
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Tas ir viens no iemesliem, kāpēc to ir tik salīdzinoši nedaudz un kāpēc to celšana notiek tik ilgi un tik dārgi.
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:04 am
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Nu jā vajag vai nu lielas valstis vai lielas korporācijas.Lielas korporācijas - efektīvāk nekā lielas valstis, mazāk pārdalīšanas un kontroles, jo tas nepelna.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:38 am
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man patīk tavs naivums.
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From:[info]ctulhu
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:03 am
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Jā, tādu cilvēku alkatība kas kaut ko rada pret tādu cilvēku alkatību kuri tikai pārdala. Tātad jā korporatīvā >>> sociālistiskā.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:39 am
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protams, pietiks regulēt, mežonīgais kapitālisms ftw. brīvais tirgus visu saregulēs
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:53 am
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> pietiks regulēt, mežonīgais kapitālisms ftw

Jā.

> brīvais tirgus visu saregulēs

Vajag censties mazāk aizrauties ar regulēšanu. Vai ne?
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:54 am
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man patīk arī tavs naivums.

ļoti priecājos, ka esam eu, kas regulāri hujārī korporatīvo alkatību.
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:57 am
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Jā, vienmēr ir bijis kontingents, kas ir ļoti priecājies par būšanu centralizējoši kontrolējošās savienībās. Vienai savienībai jau ir ticis piedzīvots pilns cikls, no sapņaina ideālisma līdz teroram līdz stagnācijai un sabrukumam, var cerēt, ka šīs savienības gadījumā iztrūks terora etapa.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 11:22 am
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tas pats p un p, ko tev ir problēmas atšķirt. amūrikas savienība arī tev nepatīk? (retorisks jautājums)
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 11:23 am
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Daudzos aspektos — jā.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:56 am
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nu malacis. runa bija par ekosistēmu regulēšanu, kas ir totāls aizgalds, jo mums trūkst izpratnes un ieapēju.

traki, kad tā jamanipulē, lai pierādītu savu bs.
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From:[info]mindbound
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 10:58 am
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"Regulēšana ir laba tad, kad regulē to, ko es gribu, lai regulē", say no more.
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From:[info]zazis
Date:June 27th, 2024 - 11:20 am
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wadever, goda vārds. kad nevar pimpi no pirksta atšķirt, tad nevar