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@ 2019-02-06 20:10:00

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But the scientist is right, up until 24 weeks in the UK a foetus is just a bundle of string and wires, the next day after the 24th week is up it magically transforms into a human being. That is settled science and will be forever settled until the abortion lobby in the UK push for later abortions.

In many other countries in Europe though the string and wire bundle magically transforms into a baby after only just 12 weeks! That's settled science, unless the woman makes a different choice later as in many European countries and she can push to have a later abortion, with permission from health professionals who undo the magic spell on the "baby," and return it to it's string and wires state, before yanking it out.

New York have just said the magic human spell doesn't happen until the string and wires are born, then they become human. That's settled science.

In Virginia now it seems the ball of string and wires even after birth can be torn apart on request of the "mother," in consultation with the "Magic man (doctor)" Who could also perform the "human spell" after birth to turn the string into a baby, it's the woman's choice. That's settled science.

This is why I don't have an opinion on abortion really, as the so called experts are just setting abitrary limits and playing God deciding when a foetus is classed as human, is it 12 weeks, 24 weeks, the point of delivery, after birth, what is it? What is a good cut off point? These experts are just flaying around, throwing random numbers out there and trying to justify it by pretending there is some sort of scientific method at work there, these people just view the child as a piece of string and wires as it makes it easier for them to kill it, they try to hide from the horrific nature of abortion behind white coats.

That being said I am not against all abortion. I just dislike the flippant way it is being viewed as a legitimate lifestyle choice instead of being one of the hardest decisions a person should ever have to make. And also I dislike the arrogant nature of the experts who pretend to know what the cut-off point is when a baby becomes human, to try to soothe their guilt and moral qualms and use "settled science," (that none of them can agree on) as a shield as they yank a moving living breathing baby out of it's mother then toss it in the trash. They can't admit to themselves or anyone else they are performing an horrific act, though sometimes, in my opinion, it might be a necessary evil.


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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-08 20:48 (saite)
Tu uzskati, ka lai saprastu, ka kakas ēst nav lāga, man viņas būtu jābūt pagaršojušam. Es tā neuzskatu. Mēs esam cilvēki, mēs varam 'saprast' kaut kādas lietas pateicoties lietai, ko sauc par intelektu. Nav burtiski jāpārbauda uz ādas viss, par ko atļaujamies viedokļot.

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[info]batou
2019-02-09 01:25 (saite)
salīdzināt abortus ar kakām ir nekorekti. pie tam aborta aizstāvji jau nesaka ka tā ir šokolāde (pēc tavas analoģijas) un neuzskata, ka tas ir kaut kas baigi labs. tas ir vienkārši mazākais no ļaunumiem pēc viņu domām. intelekts ir domāts lai tu varētu izvēlēties starp tiem. es nevaru teikt ka pat tagad esmu baigi gudrs, bet nu, liekas ka pašreiz ar nelielu bagāžu teiktu ka izvēle būtu savādāka un pat iespējams vieglāka.

un lai par kaut ko spriestu ir tas jāpārbauda uz savas ādas. savādāk ir vecais labais "nečital no osuždaju".

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[info]gnidrologs
2019-02-09 23:26 (saite)
Tu acīmrdzami neesi saprastis vai sekojis līdzi manai kritikai šajā jautājumā, jo pat pats OPā citētais teksts saka, ka aborts ir pieļaujams kā dažkārt neizbēgams ļaunums.

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[info]batou
2019-02-10 01:38 (saite)
no tā teksta es sapratu ka doma ir par ja nu rape sekām vai kas tamlīdzīgs. un ka autora nepatika ir pret cilvēkiem kuri izvēlas to kā lifestyle?? choice lai gan tie ir absolūti kaut kādi ekstrēmie varianti, neviens normāls cilvēks neizvēlēsies abortus kā kontraceptīvo līdzekli. un viņš vienkārši grib uzbraukt pārējiem par to, ka nevar vienoties par to, kad ir bēbis un kad nav. kas manuprāt ir atkal katra invidīda personiskais jautājums un vēlme nospraust kaut kādas robežas parasti ir tieši pusei kura ir pret abortiem.

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