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@ 2017-11-27 06:41:00

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The world is constantly rebirthing itself.

That the rise and fall of civilizations is cyclical is a fact nobody could have missed.

The civilized world has already once been destroyed 3200 years ago by the "Sea Peoples", 1600 years ago by the Goths and other Germanic peoples, I could go on...

During these transitions, some things become lost in time, while some things are preserved: destruction does not at all mean a final end but rather a cleansing fire. A sick and degenerate society cannot survive contact with survival-focused barbarians, no matter how "civilized" it is. Just consider the treatment of Goths in the Roman Empire: originally allowed in out of "tolerance", they were immediately used as pawns in Rome's internal power struggles. How can such a society survive, which lacks allegiance to, or even knowledge of what constitutes itself? What makes a society lose the will and energy to live?

Degeneracy itself is merely hedonism made available by socialism - panem et circenses. Any political leader can always pander to the masses with free stuff financed by making it harder for productive members of society to provide care for their family. This is what Roman leaders increasingly relied upon to buy popularity. Once an individual can wholly or partially rely upon the state for survival, traditional networks for survival (the family) dissolve and we get single mothers, crime, unemployment and dysgenics in a vicious circle. When the bar for survival has been removed or lowered by the state, it becomes harder to convince people to perform the hardest duty in society - risking your life as a soldier. Compare this to the early Roman era, when a legionary was awarded a small farmhouse as a pension. When these small farmers have to pay taxes to finance city dwellers on the dole, this option ceases to be viable. You end up paying barbarians instead, either as ransom money or to fight against other barbarians, or in the worst case to resolve internal power struggles. When you have reached this point, it is only a question of time until the barbarians realize they are the only hard power remaining, and that it is easier to just take what you want directly.

This does not mean that the gene pool of the dying society is wiped out, only that they suddenly must struggle on equal terms as the barbarian invaders in the remaining rubble. And so the evolutionary process goes on.
Okay, so what concrete actions should an individual take to preserve whatever is worth preserving? First, identify what is the Rome of our day (London, Paris, Brussels) and what is Byzantium (Warsaw, Budapest). We need to do all we can so that a future Belisarius has the resources needed to roll back the chaos when society in Rome has eroded to the point of civil war and anarchy - not to restore degeneracy but to ensure global order. And as this cycle goes on, we hope for less permanent losses in the destructive phase through greater foresight, and greater aversion to socialist degeneracy in the decadent phase through hindsight. After all, apart from purely biological evolutionary selection, knowledge of the past is the only thing which separates us from earlier generations.


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[info]gnidrologs
2017-11-27 19:35 (saite)
Iedomājies jebkuru citu civilizāciju. Vuaļā. Divupes kultūras, senie indoārieši, Dienvidamerika. Sociālas un līdz ar to politiskas degradācijas tēma visās. Saļimšana barbaru vai iekarojumu priekšā šajos apstākļos ir līdzīgi kā nāve no gripas, jo imūnsistēma vairs nestrādā. Ķīna varētu būt izņēmums, jo ''end of civilized world as we know it'' tur it kā nekad nav iestājies, pat ja katru dinastiju uzskata par atsevišķu kultūru, bet austrumi, lieta smalka. Man tas reģions liekas pa lielam nesaprotams.
Jebkurā gadījumā būtu vieglāk, ja tu nosauktu kādu civilizāciju, kas aizgājusi pa pieskari kādā citādā, more graceful ceļā.

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[info]axsys
2017-11-27 22:34 (saite)
Indijas civilizācija, piem. Nekas katastrofisks ar to nenotika tūkstošiem gadu, pēc tam atnāca briti un tā pamazām (ar pretestību bet tomēr samērā mērenu) palika par daļu no britu impērijas, tad apmēram tāpat pamazām no tās izstājās un kkā plūdeni pārgāja uz musdienu Indiju kas reizē ir un nav līdzīga vecajai.

Krīt acis tas ka anonīmuss palaiž garām, ka civilizācijas neizbeidzas tukšā vietā. Jā, viņām reiz pienāk gals (kaut vai tāpēc ka laika gaitā ir notikušas tik daudz izmaiņas, ka nav vairs atšķirības vai tā ir jauna civilizācija vai vecās turpinājums) bet uz un no tām aug jaunas. Senie grieķi un romieši izbeidzās bet Eiropas kultūra turpināja braukt uz viņu pamatiem vēl hvz kādus gadsimtus (var strīdēties ka kkādā mērā dara to joprojām) utt.

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[info]gnidrologs
2017-11-27 23:55 (saite)
Nekas katastrofisks nenotiek ne ar vienu civilizāciju. Tās vienkārši mirst un diezgan vienādos veidos. Sad! Indijas gadījumā tā ir tipisks kulturālaš diversitātes piemērs. Sajaukums starp cilvēkiem, kas kakā uz ielām, "baltiem civilizētiem cilvēkiem", kas it kā turas līdzi laikam (pateicoties tam pašai kolonizācijai) un senās kultūras remnantiem. Kaut kā līdzīgi nākotnē izskatīsies Eiropā.
Btw, teksts nav domāts situācijas dramatizēšanai. Vnk tāds ikdienišķs novērojums, kas uzdzen tosku.

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[info]mansgan
2017-11-28 00:31 (saite)
un ik pa 1600 gadiem? vai es pārskatījos?

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[info]gnidrologs
2017-11-28 01:40 (saite)
Tur nav "ik pa".

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