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@ 2017-09-09 11:50:00

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This whole shebang is about deciding who's the capo di tutti capi in EU. Eurocrats wants it to be European Comission, meanwhile countries like Poland want to be in a union of sovereign nation states.

And that's what's in the stakes here. Controlling your borders and who is allowed to cross them is one of the very core elements of sovereignty, and EU wants a precedent of stripping that away. Helping "poor war refugees" is just a disguise, not even good one. But that doesn't matter, all that matters is getting that foot in the door, then it will be easier to swing it open all the way.
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Funny thing is that this re-allocation thing is bad even for immigrants, they don't want to live in Poland, they want to live in Germany. So even if you are turbo SJW queen of tolerance you should be against quotas since they are bad for immigrants. Only reason why this crap has any traction at all is that Hungary, Poland and some others have been successfully painted as some far right-wing evil entities and as such gullible people can rationalize that they are fighting Nazis by supporting this.


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[info]extranjero
2017-09-09 21:12 (saite)
Cik saprotu, 20% no bēgļiem patiešām ir tādi, kas bēg no kara šausmām. Pārējie ir tikai ekonomiskie migranti. Protams, arī viņiem var gribēt palīdzēt, bet sanāk kaut kā selektīvi. Varbūt lielāka palīdzība būtu bijusi attīstīt šo valstu ekonomikas, lai viņiem nebūtu jāriskē ar nāvi, dodoties bīstamā ceļojumā.

Manā kursā bija kādi 9 vai 10 kurdi, kas bija saņēmuši bēgļa statusu UK. Vairums no viņiem brīvdienas pavadīja savās dzimtajās valstīs. Tā ka var pieņemt, ka draudi viņiem varbūt nav nemaz nebija tik lieli vai arī bija tikai īslaicīgi.

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