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@ 2013-07-29 17:49:00

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"Why does it matter that Cain was a crop farmer and Abel was a shepherd? With agriculture comes grain you can store, which leads to notions of wealth, which leads to laws, courts, police, hierarchy, patriarchy, taxes, accounting, bureaucracy, and high-fructose corn syrup.

Modern civilization as we know it cannot exist without massive cropland. Today, when we meet roaming shepherd people, we say they are backward and tell them their way of life needs development (in other words, that they need to become agriculturalists like us.)"


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[info]mindbound
2013-07-29 18:50 (saite)
"[..] which leads to laws, courts, police, hierarchy, patriarchy, taxes, accounting, bureaucracy, and high-fructose corn syrup."

Which also leads to writing, mathematics, trade, roads, cities and, ultimately, enough free time to do something else than just farming, which, in turn, leads to philosophy, politics, science and more or less everything else that does make up developed society.

Advancētas lopkopju-nomadu vai mednieku-vācēju civilizācijas varbūt ir iespējamas principā, taču šķiet, ka cilvēku gadījumā tas tomēr nav novērojams.

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[info]garamgajejs
2013-07-29 19:39 (saite)
"enough free time to do something else than just farming..." LOL

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[info]mindbound
2013-07-29 20:29 (saite)
Atzīstu, ka pārspīlēju, bet neuzskatu, ka kļūdos pēc būtības. Correct me if I am mistaken.

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[info]garamgajejs
2013-07-29 21:03 (saite)
Philosphy, politics and science does not result in some way from the increasing complexity of material culture for these forms of social development [broadly speaking] are prerequisites to organisation of society as a whole, including its means of production. Therefore, if distinction is to be made between the material and the symbolic levels of social development, it must be retained that these are integral to one another, intertwined.
Regarding the meaning of advancement and development, I presume our views will differ in predictable ways so I'll prefer to leave it where it is..

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[info]norkoz
2013-08-01 00:09 (saite)
sam ta poņal chto tut ļapnul?

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[info]garamgajejs
2013-08-01 18:23 (saite)
Jā, bet kāpēc tāda jautāšana?

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[info]garamgajejs
2013-07-29 19:45 (saite)
That's correct, it matters for the inner logic of the myth and as it is evident, subsequently for the purposes of exegesis.

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