Gandrīz vai vajadzētu dibināt jaunu slepeno biedrību konspirāciju zinātnes celmlaužiem.

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bezgalīgs cikls

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A friend of mine joined the lodge down here some good 15-20 years ago for a while. Lots of bollocks.
He's switched to weed by now.

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I know some who use it for business contacts. One of them asked me if I wanted to join. He was drunk, but he knew the basic esoteric stuff 'what is revealed, is concealed, which is then revealed, which...' another endless cycle.

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Ah yes, I guess it is one of the primary roles for such organisations.

But in the end it seems there are much more powerful forces in the world which ultimately destroy the secret societies.

At some point the esoteria and spirituality crosses the path of greed and lust for power, and the secret orders lose.

One could say that they survive as long as they don't become powerful in the worldly sense -- once they do, they seem to be domed.

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The use of the lodges in the Russian Revolution is quite well documented - as well as the French and the American. Infiltration of lodges by the Perfectibilists also. It seems that the lodges would get their men in power, and thereby effect the change they wanted. You could debate when (or if) the corruption started. Maybe on the infiltration during which the robes of the society would be worn by men who had baser motives at heart? The original Rosicrucians seemed a little purer of heart, but perhaps the corruption goes back to the time of Solomon. The symbolism does at least.

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> You could debate when (or if) the corruption started

As soon as membership of lodge was recognized to grant power.

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All i know is that current world is entirely evil and there's no redemption for it until it's destroyed. There are basically no good forces abound that could influence the current.

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Many of the Rosicrucians of the time also believed in a coming apocalypse. They saw it in the stars. I wonder if the Freemasonic 'perfectibilists' engaged in the grand project to transform society don't do it out of fear of the evil inherent in humanity - another endless cycle.
Some of the early Rosicrucians, it seemed from the book I am reading, built the temple within themselves so as to be free of the world (hence the gnostic element).

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What i've learned about gnostics is that their attitudes towards themselves and world were very close to the modern woke marksists. They despise it all and want to change or destroy everything. As a result they delved into debauchery, self inflicting mutilations and generally ill behavior. Cuz you know, the evil Demiurge created this shit world, so there's no point being good, honest and virtuous. Don't see how that's a solution. Catholic Chruch with all its problems, were a beacon of chastity in comparison.
Maybe i'm just ill informed, that's what i gathered reading about cathars.

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Well, they differ from pagans, who worship the world (generally speaking). I'll have to read up about the Cathars, but I see your point, and I think you might be correct, at least with regard to the current anti-natalist (child-free) zeitgeist. It is as if many want this to be the end of the line - for themselves and for the rest of us. Leaving the world of the demiurge in a kind of group euthanasia.

Some of the early Rosicrucians worshiped the world because they saw God in everything. I rather think the Gnostic element came from fear of the Church authorities at the time - conflating them perhaps with the Demiurge?

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So by your previous comment you could be considered a half-baked gnostic then?

You also consider the current world evi and despicable beyond redemption and would see it destroyed?

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Es uzskatu, ka pašreiz pasaulē valda ļaunums, tik tiešām Antikrista laikmets, un vairums cilvēku atrodas tā hipnotiskajā varā.
Atšķirībā no gnostiķiem, es neticu, ka pasaule ir Demiurga radījums, tā ir Dieva jeb Labā radīta, bet Lucifers un tie, kas viņam kalpo (piemēram, gnostiķi, marksisti vai vienkārši individuāli ļauni cilvēki), to aktīvi centušies bojāt since forever. Es esmu pret to un cenšos dzīvot cik vien godīgi un labi spēju.
Pašreizējā kondīcija ir tāda, ka cilvēku dvēseles korupcija ir aizgājusi tik tālu, ka neredzu iespēju to labot caur attīstību. Pār pasauli valda tikai un vienīgi ļauni spēki. Ir daudz labu cilvēku, bet viņiem jākļūst tik pat ļauniem un korumpētiem kā šiem dominējošiem spēkiem, lai konkurēti un tas nav risinājums. Tas ir strupceļš.
Līdz ar to vai nu otrā Mesijas atnākšana vai globāla katastrofa, kas uztaisīs dabisko resetu. Back to sticks and stones.

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Gribeetu ieteikt gramatu "The Prophets of Doom' jums abiem.

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