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[Jan. 8th, 2019|12:36 pm]
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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 03:16 pm
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We aren't a normal West-European country, thank God :)

I look on it a bit more whimsically (aging ex-pat). I look back on my childhood and the attendant culture as a fairytale. I look on the indie/hc gigs we put on as something magical in a unique culture now mostly out of sight: the whistling riffs a portrait in the air - the smell of fags, the taste of Southern Comfort, the endless Norfolk skies... all the possibilities.

We have been fucked, I would say, slowly with digital remorseless insistence since then. It comes from above, not below, and it has turned us into a pantomime of hysterical self-hatred - woe is us - we gave the world football hooligans and the Empire: we are shit and we, sadly, feel it in the bones.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 03:27 pm
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What I want to say is that with regard to Empire guilt, we are chucking the baby out with the bathwater. We don't have to be like everyone else - it isn't something we should aspire to - we should be free to rejoice - show a little enthusiasm for our culture - the old one - the one that hasn't forgotten the words to auld lang syne and can covort about in a seas of mystified others on the banks of the Thames - the one that threatens extra work for the fire service on November 5th.

I am probably conflating my thoughts on England with the effects of my sister-in-law's psychological war on her husband and kids - all three intimidated into a joyless, limited existence without perspective
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From:[info]ulvs
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 03:42 pm
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You have been majorly fucked, so it seems. What do you think, could one argue that you bought it up yourselves? Or is it like a "sign of the times" (change as a product of the age).


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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 03:51 pm
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We can't openly admit what has happened/is happening to us. I don't want to be too alt-right about this, but look back... look back and see for yourself - the culture is being annihilated - the causes are the attendant disinterest of digitalisation, the smothering of aspiration, the reliance on a state to keep our heads above the flood of liquid debt, and the 'what-you-looking-at?' of demographic change.
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From:[info]heda
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 10:43 pm
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Bet ja tas nāk no "augšas", nevis pašas tautas, varbūt nav tik bezcerīgi. Vai tev šķiet, ka mosties jau ir par vēlu?
Manā mierinošo grāmatu plauktā ne pārāk sen nokļuva dažas Rodžera Skrūtona grāmatas, un tiešām mierina, sevišķi tas, kā viņš lieto jēdzienu "heritage". Mierinošo grāmatu plaukts, protams, daļēji ir pašapmānam, bet pavisam bez tā nevarētu.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 8th, 2019 - 11:06 pm
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It also comes from pašas tautas. From old friends, relatives and so on.

It's difficult, for me, to write or think about it coherently (see above rambling). There are so many factors at play. Furthermore, my perception could be warped or otherwise malfunctioning, and I can get carried away. Only sometimes you catch something - a small thing maybe - and it strikes you that it has meaning. For instance, we, three generations of us, sang that auld lang syne, and then later on the TV, you saw just a few pockets of people singing it in amongst a mass of incredulity by the banks of the Thames - those who didn't understand it or sing it could have been tourists, maybe of course, but not all. Other times you watch an old TV series steeped in another culture, or see an old photo - is this what Scruton is referring to when he says 'heritage'?

It would be good if we rediscovered aspects of that culture, and celebrated it - especially in those areas where the 'we' whose heritage it is are or are becoming a minority. It would be the most positive thing we could do.
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From:[info]heda
Date:January 9th, 2019 - 12:05 am
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Skrūtonam 'heritage' nav tikai konkrētās lietas un parādības vai to kopums, bet tas, ko tās simbolizē - Eiropas kultūras pamatvērtības.
Pāris ar medijiem nesaistīti zviedru puiši par saviem līdzekļiem (par saviem tāpēc, ka pareizie naudas dalītāji neapmaksā to, par kā pareizo ideoloģisko ievirzi nav droši) šogad uzņēma dokumentālo filmu "A Swedish Elephant", un filmas sākumā viņi jautā cilvēkiem ielās: "Kas ir zviedru kultūra?" Pat man kā nezviedrietei bija to neciešami skumji skatīties. Domāju, ka tu daudzas lietas šajā filmā atpazītu, vēsture un mentalitāte it kā cita kā britiem, bet pēdējo desmitgažu atprātotāji un to atstātās pēdas tik baisi līdzīgas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhf61C2-S4I
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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 9th, 2019 - 11:08 am
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paldies - noteikti noskatiishos, kad buus laiks.
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From:[info]heda
Date:January 9th, 2019 - 10:28 pm
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Šodien ziņu straumē pamanīju bildītes ar the Lord Mayor of Sheffield, kura parastā poza esot tupus. Nu jā... tik traki vēl nav pat pie zviedriem :D