okay -es saprotu: ir gruuti par sho teemu vispaar.

But in the interests of semi-serious discussion I'd like to get a little more concrete (piedod -turpinaashu angliski - esmu slinks un aiznjemts) .

Would you call the following person an islamophobe?

Someone who has investigated islam a little - watched lectures given by Imans, debates between Imans and non-muslims, talked to Muslims, read parts of the Koran and the Hadiths etc. - and who has come to the conclusion that there are many troubling aspects to the religion and its effects on its believers. Someone who regards an increase in Islamic influence in a/their non-Islamic country as a disturbing phenomenon that ought to be countered?

If the answer is 'yes', would serious discussion with this person be impossible?

izskatās, ka vēlies likt man vārdus mutē. nupat jau teicu, ka islamam ir problēmatiski ideoloģiski aspekti, bet tu meklē karikatūru, kas tāpēc saukātu par islamofobu

cita starpā, tāds isis ir ultrakonservatīva kustība un, attiecīgi, radniecīga šādā ziņā trumpkiniem un breksiteriem

"izskatās, ka vēlies likt man vārdus mutē"
Nope, I just want to know what you think. Don't be so paranoid. I am genuinely interested. If you think such a person is not an islamophobe, then say so.

jā, kā tad; tas ir uzvedinošs jautājums, ko tu jau atkal atkārto, kad tas ir atbildēts divreiz — nē, vienkārši kritizēt islamu nav nekāda fobija. daudziem gan šī kritika sakņojas aizspriedumos, kas ir daļa no plašākas patoloģijas

Nu un kādi tad ir tie aizspriedumi par izlamu? Uzskaiti dažus.

reliģiski aizspriedumi no citādi ticīgajiem un rasu aizspriedumi, jo islams lielā mērā pārklājas ar tumšāku ādas krāsu

Konkrētus piemērus lūdzu. Es te domāju, kur aizpireidumi ir nepamatoti, nevis reālu darbību izraisīta reakcija.

rasu/reliģiska neiecietība neprasa reālus piemērus; tās ir izplatītas parādības. tas, ka šāds jautājums tiek uzdots, lieliski ilustrē to, ko aprakstu kā naida ideoloģiju piesegšanu

"neprasa reālus piemēru"

" tas, ka šāds jautājums tiek uzdots, lieliski ilustrē to, ko aprakstu kā naida ideoloģiju piesegšanu"

Labi, ka tu acīmredzami esi ļoti jauns un dumjš komunists. Man pat nav te nekas jākomentē. tava retorika ir bez maz vai evil commie arhetips.

rasu/reliģiski aizspriedumi ir visapkārt; par to nav jautājuma, ja vien neesi naida ideoloģiju apoloģēts

Par to, ka vispār ir - nav jautājuma, bet man bija konkrēt jautājums KUR TU REDZI AIZSPRIEDUMUS PRET ISLAMU RIETUMOS, nevis par to via tādi vispār var pastāvēt. Tu izskaties esi labi samācījies no visādiem rubikiem un ždanokām savu demagoģiju. vai nu atbildi uz jautājumu vai gtfo.

lol, noteikumu uzstādītājs atradies. tas ir a priori skaidrs, ka tādi piemēri ir

Bet tu NEVIENU neeesi uzrādījis. Tipisks dumbfuck ļevoks - klaigā lozungus, bet nespēj pamatot ar evidencēm. Kad kāds tās pieprasa - standart NPC response nrXXX tipa "ur facist reeeeeeeeee".

es vienkārši netaisos izdabāt stulbām prasībām

Hmm... in the UK, there is no/very little hinduphobia. I mean Hindus get on just fine withe wider population - so is it really a race issue?

Okay - thank you. I understand that your answer is that the person who I described is not an islamophobe (based on my description of him/her) as he/she is simply criticizing the religious ideology of Islam.

You aren't the only one, by the way, who calls it a leading question. I got the same response from my brother :). But, I was insistent because it is a genuine question which needs answering as it, 'islamophobia', is a phrase that is often used to avoid debate/serious discussion.

If you have time/the desire, I'd be interested in your criticisms of Islam (which I think you alluded to). What elements of it do you not like/think should be challenged?

wow, kāds tu laipns; "tikai uzdodu jautājumus".

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

You are a funny guy. I was just trying to maintain a reasonable tone in order to properly understand your position. Seems you can't handle the pressure.

tas vienkārši ir besīgi, ka atkārto jautājumu, lai zvejotu pēc atbildes

Yeah - I wanted an answer to the questions because they are essential questions. You can choose to answer anyway you like. You don't seem to want to do so: why?

By the way, I am usually a polite guy. 97% of time IRL I am a real sweetheart and I have friends from all over the political spectrum - you can see this, I hope, in a question I posted about feelings of nationality on my Ciba recently. I can maintain a polite tone because I am ....actually fecking interested in people's attitudes to these questions.

If you can't handle it, then... just for you: go fuck yourself, you retarded ideologue... how's that? Feel better? Now you can rile yourself up, vai nee?

es atbildēju jau pirmajā reizē, kad prasīji. nezinu arī, ko tu mēģini pateikt, saucot sevi par pieklājīgu un tad ierakstot rupjības. mans take-away ir, ka tu esi pastulbs

you are really dumb

ata

cheers

wow, such a sad wreck of a thinking person

Just wipe the estrogen he spewed all around your face off and move along. There is absolutely no reason to even try debating these sectarians. They're beyond reason and actually feed on naive people, who still believe they might be reasonable.