So what is this “not knowing”? This is not the same “not knowing” as when Zhaozhou (J: Joshu) asked his teacher Nanquan (J.: Nansen), “What is the way?” Nanquan answered, “Ordinary mind is the way.” Just your mind, the way it is right here and right now. Zhaozhou asked, “Well, shall I seek after it or not?” Nanquan said, “If you seek after it, you’ll miss it.” Zhaozhou said, “If I don’t seek after it, how will I know the way?” Nanquan said, “The way is not a matter of knowing or not knowing. Knowing is delusion, and not knowing is dullness. When you reach the Way beyond all doubt, you will find it as vast and boundless as outer space. What can that have to do with right or wrong?”