90% people are cattle, conformists with no agency. Unfortunately. Didn't know that myself till recently.

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For sure, lots of people are looking around to see what the accepted intelligent point of view is: never pleasant to be considered a heretic. Having said that, if someone (including those who think like us) is ready to have a discussion about it and consider/reconsider their views, all is not lost I suppose.

Actually, I sense a swing occurring. There is more scepticism about, and more of a willingness to take some stands here and there. For example, the mana balss initiative to prevent parents from getting state aid/access to schools if they refuse to vaccine their kids against covid only got 2,000 odd votes (after about 6 weeks), compared to the relatively huge number against the mandatory mask wearing for young schoolchildren (what was it - over 50,000 after just a day or two?). Also only having 30% (I heard) of the population ready to vaccinate suggests distrust of the official line.

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Bērnus vispār nav paredzēts vakcinēt pret covid. Un pat ja būtu, es kā cilvēks kuram pārliecība, ka vakcīna ir izeja šo katastrofu pārvarēt, tomēr nevēlētos šāda veida spiedienu.
Lai gan protams skumji.

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You might be correct about vaccines, but I am not so sure. We have, apparently new mutant strains against which the current batch of vaccines have not been tested (so I read). They might be effective against the UK strain, but people have no idea bout their efficacy against the South African strain.

Being as Big Pharma is a powerful business lobby, I fear that our freedoms will be, therefore, dependent on having had the latest updated vaccines against the latest mutant strains, and in order to keep track of this, we will need an extensive form of bio-surveillance.

The best way in my opinion to get out of this crisis in the long term, is to focus all our attempts on building up our own natural immunity - and do our best to protect those who can't do this. We should also ensure our health services can cope with a surge in demand - the like of which we are seeing here. These restrictions cripple the economy, reduce tax revenue drastically, and plunge the country into insane debt - all of which will mean we can't and won't be able to invest in health in the coming years - meaning we are ever more dependent on Big Pharma to endow is with freedoms with their vaccines.

Good business model.

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... endow *us* with freedoms

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Atgriezties pie dabīgās lietu kārtības ar 30+ vidējo dzīves ilgumu un bērnu mirstību lai iereibtu BigPharma? Nu... kaut-kas tur ir laikam.

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Mana pārliecība - ja ir kaut-kas, ko tev var atņemt, tad tas nepieder tev.

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I think you are exaggerating/caricaturing what I said. I was talking specifically about relying on these new vaccines as a way of combating this coronavirus - not refusing drugs/modern medicine in general.

Improving natural immunity through having a healthy lifestyle: quitting smoking, cutting down on sugar, taking Vitamin D if necessary, zinc - propolis and so on would be an excellent idea in my opinion.

I didn't really understand your last point. Do you mean we don't own anything if it can be taken from us? Sounds like a less positive spin on the WEF prediction for 2030 (you will own nothing, but you will be happy).

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I don't see anything specifically different regarding new coronavirus.
And totally acceptable improving natural immunity. Just.. it does not protect against ageing, cancer, diabetes, genetic diseases and.. not so much against new coronavirus.

And about my last point. Nevis nothing, bet daudz. Vesela pasaule. Mana. Viss, kas pieder man, uzkrāts, iemantots, uzbūvēts, iemācīts - ir mans, neviens to man atņemt nevar. Tur, kur jāņem vērā arī līdzcilvēki - vairs nav mana teritorija. Pat ja tas man nepatīk. Cilvēks ir bara dzīvnieks.

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It seems clear that the better natural immunity you have, the better you will be able to deal with this coronavirus, and the less need you will have for the vaccines. That is what I am talking about. I know we are all going to die sooner or later.

As for freedoms that rely on government/societal largesse, it seems to me that we have to fight for them. I fear that those of us who are sceptical about the benefitof lockdowns, vaccines etc., will have to fight very hard. but I could be wrong: time will tell.

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" it does not protect against ageing, cancer, diabetes, genetic diseases" -taa ir novecojusi 20.gs meinstriima farmindustrijas biznesa dogma


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN28J2ZP
https://www.cancerresearch.org/blog/april-2019/how-does-the-immune-system-work-cancer
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1874391920300130
https://youtu.be/SEE-oU8_NSU

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"Trust the science" oxymoron, obey BigGov

Visādu modīšu spiediens ir lielāks nekā jebkad agrāk, cilvēkiem ir bail būt nemoderniem. Mierinos, ka visas modes pāriet...