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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:00
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When you write off violence, you aint doing just you. You are saying, publicly, it's okay to slaughter someone for the colour of the skin.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:15
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i don't recall ever saying that. but since u see it that way, u see it that way.
i also saw it very differently from, let's say, many powerful people when colin fron nfl kneeled. it was also interesting how such opposing things were seen in that one act. so how can i ask for u to understand me now. i can not and i do not.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:19
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writers write narratives
a lot of them unbelievable, but if we are emotionally involved, we can suspend the disbelief for a lifetime
if you want to anchor yourself to some objective truth, however,
we have the data
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:29
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good for u. must be nice living in a sane, logical environment where emotions and personal matters are reduced to simple, clean numbers and u clearly see how it all comes to be and what to do to change it.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:31
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Do you know the stats?
Are they important?
I am pretty sure that if whites were violently assaulting blacks at the same rate as blacks are attacking whites, we would hear about it.
You would probably post about it.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:33
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do u care why they do it? and how to change it so they wouldn't?
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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 13:41
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I think they (the ones carrying out violence) do it for the following reasons:
poverty
lack of a father figure in the home
a debased popular culture glorifying sex and violence
being treated like kids - so, the victim complex is maintained and encouraged
blaming the white devil (in mainstream Hip Hop culture) for every problem they have
being told, yeah anyone bringing up crime stats is surely a racist
having naive virtue-seeking white people saying, I understand - in your position I would do the same
black on white crime being constantly not recorded as racist
cherry picking of white on black crime and the stirring up of baseless revenge.

That'll do for now.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 14:22
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i'll take poverty. why is there such incredible wealth gap between white-black hoiseholds in usa?
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From:[info]artis
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:07
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Why is there such incredible wealth gap between Americans of Indian origin and, say, Koreans?

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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:19
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taco-burito. nachos.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:54
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Course you would... I guess it is all the fault of white people, which explains why all other ethnic groups in the USA are dirt poor as well.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:59
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don't u have data that explains it?
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From:[info]brookings
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 16:07
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Oh, now you want data? Hah hah. Despite stats showing black-on-white violence is 10 times higher (not even taking into account the fact that whites are around 60% to blacks being 13%), I have to wade through a thread trying to get you to stop putting this insane violence down to historical oppression.

There are many causes of poverty, some down to the individual, some due to societal reasons. You know that, of course. Any discussion about it, however, is redundant cos I get the strong feeling, you will only accept the politically correct reasons for it - the ones that lay no blame on those who we should be taking a knee for. That way you will be nice and fluffy: good job - go in peace and love.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 16:20
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i am sorry if i tried to convince u of anything.
i understand it is disrespectful to ur experience and intelligence.
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From:[info]artis
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 14:19
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Talking about the data. Nine unarmed black people were killed by cops in the country last year. Twice as many unarmed whites were killed. Between black and white people, less than 30 total were killed. There is no epidemic of police killing unarmed people. It doesn't exist.
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 14:31
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so the remaining 970 were all armed thus just to be killed? plz provide ur data source
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From:[info]artis
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 14:57
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To clarify, I am referring to the tally of 'fatal shootings', as compiled by the Washington Post’s data set. The tally doesn’t account for the use of other force that can be lethal, such as tasers or physical restraint. If we add other encounters in 2019, the fatalities are higher for both races. However, I stand by my point — there is no epidemic of police killing.

"According to the NOAA, over the last 20 years, the United States averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities (..) In the US, between 9% and 10% of those struck die, with an annual average of 25 deaths in the 2010s decade (16 in 2017)."

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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:04
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and why are u referring to one type of killing thus completely misrepresenting data of overall police killing?
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From:[info]artis
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:13
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Good data is hard to obtain. I wish we'd have better, more granular data. However, even by adding all other encounters, the data suggests that there is no "police brutality epidemic". It is easy to mumble off some generalities, thinking about numbers and stats takes some effort.

"Since 2015, as far back as the Washington Post’s database goes, fatal police shootings of unarmed black people has decreased by 68%.

Since 2015, the number of assailants killed that were reported to be attacking one or more of the officers has stayed relatively flat, floating between 43% and 54%.

Even though the rate at which police officers are attacked in these fatal shootings has stayed flat, the rate at which they kill unarmed black people has decreased."
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:18
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try harder then.
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From:[info]artis
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:26
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I am a die-hard, try-harder kind-of guy; it's right up my alley.

You are relieved from your battle station. Fly like a bird!
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From:[info]az
Date:8. Jūnijs 2020 - 15:28
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cool. cool cool cool.