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Apr. 12th, 2012 | 01:55 pm
Dekarta references teorija zināmā mērā runā pretī duālismam, jo tā būtībā saka, ka ir saistība starp prātu un ķermeni
(laikam viņa gadījumā skaidrāk būtu otrādā secībā - starp ķermeni un prātu) tikai tā ir tāda veida saistība, kuru Dekarts atsakās saukt par ‘saistību’.
Vai tikai tā nav tā pati rietumnieku fīča par Ahileju un Bruņurupuci un distance starp prātu un ķermeni šeit ir 100 metri handikapa,
ko Ahilejs laipni piešķīra Bruņurupucim skrējiena sākumā?
Bet kur tad laiks? kustība “no” un “uz”?
Bet ko jūs par to domājat?
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Reku viens gudrs puika raksta tā:
“Motion consists of exactly two and always two elements: Space AND Time. The objects Move from Here to There in various lengths of Time. Zenon of Elea only considers Space as defining motion. Zenon moves from here to there in NO time! Because there is NO time, Zenon's false reasoning eliminates the possibility of motion. That would be correct only and only if Mind could recreate reality. If a human, or mind, or any other object could recreate a "reality" where Time does not exist but only Space, Motion would not exist.
No single object, no single force can create or recreate reality. Reality is the result of random interaction of forces. Mind or reason cannot create reality; it is the other way around. Mind is part of reality alright; reality comes first, mind comes afterwards. The Sophists reacted to Heraclitus' ideas of change. Change meant beginning and ending, therefore death. The Sophists served the needs of the religion of their time - and all other times (eras). Humans don't want to die - period. Let us live forever by finding arguments proving no-change, therefore eternity, therefore immortality. Such metaphysics or philosophy wins in most popularity contests anywhere on Terra (or anywhere in the Universe, for that matter).” / http://saliu.com/aporia.html /
(laikam viņa gadījumā skaidrāk būtu otrādā secībā - starp ķermeni un prātu) tikai tā ir tāda veida saistība, kuru Dekarts atsakās saukt par ‘saistību’.
Vai tikai tā nav tā pati rietumnieku fīča par Ahileju un Bruņurupuci un distance starp prātu un ķermeni šeit ir 100 metri handikapa,
ko Ahilejs laipni piešķīra Bruņurupucim skrējiena sākumā?
Bet kur tad laiks? kustība “no” un “uz”?
Bet ko jūs par to domājat?
___
Reku viens gudrs puika raksta tā:
“Motion consists of exactly two and always two elements: Space AND Time. The objects Move from Here to There in various lengths of Time. Zenon of Elea only considers Space as defining motion. Zenon moves from here to there in NO time! Because there is NO time, Zenon's false reasoning eliminates the possibility of motion. That would be correct only and only if Mind could recreate reality. If a human, or mind, or any other object could recreate a "reality" where Time does not exist but only Space, Motion would not exist.
No single object, no single force can create or recreate reality. Reality is the result of random interaction of forces. Mind or reason cannot create reality; it is the other way around. Mind is part of reality alright; reality comes first, mind comes afterwards. The Sophists reacted to Heraclitus' ideas of change. Change meant beginning and ending, therefore death. The Sophists served the needs of the religion of their time - and all other times (eras). Humans don't want to die - period. Let us live forever by finding arguments proving no-change, therefore eternity, therefore immortality. Such metaphysics or philosophy wins in most popularity contests anywhere on Terra (or anywhere in the Universe, for that matter).” / http://saliu.com/aporia.html /
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from: kashadura
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 02:24 pm
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Cienījams, bet atļaušos nepiekrist.
Incanti.
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from: unpy
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 02:32 pm
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from: kashadura
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 02:46 pm
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Otrkārt: Ļaujiet paironizēt...
Tā jau notiek, kad dakteri metas spēlēties ar smadzeņu, asinsrites un plaušu jēdzieniem, uztverot šos kā kaut kadus neatkarīgus pamatlielumus un pilnīgi ignorējot mūsdienu anatomijā pieņemto teoriju, ka tās ir tikai relatīvas, visnotaļ svabadi no pirksta izzīstas ķermeņa sastāvdaļas.
Un kas tās par "lapsādu par plecu pārmetis daudznozīmīgi atskatos un aizslīdu garām" atbildēm?
Nav ko teikt - nesaki
Ir - izsakies kārtīgi
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from: ieva
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:23 pm
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from: kashadura
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:26 pm
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from: unpy
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:48 pm
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from: arturs
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:29 pm
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from: unpy
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:44 pm
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Nē, nešķiet, ka murgoju, man ļoti saprotams šķiet pieņēmums, ka laiks ir tikai prāta radīts produkts un kā tāds nav nopietni ņemams ķermeņa un prāta mijiedarbības pētīšanā, atvaino, acīmredzot, pateicu pārāk vienkaršotā formā tādam neapšaubāmam domas gigantam kā esi:))
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from: arturs
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 03:55 pm
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from: arturs
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 04:24 pm
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from: unpy
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 04:31 pm
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from: kashadura
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 04:42 pm
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Bet ko nu es - es jau vēl neesmu dzimusi -ko es ar jums, miroņiem, te bazarēšu!
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from: unpy
date: Apr. 12th, 2012 - 04:54 pm
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