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From:[info]formica
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 09:47 pm

2015, Karl

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Jabisti sludina, ka injekcijas naakshoties atkaartot ik peec pusgada.

Toties taas dazhas studijas, kas papeetiijushas " T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus", atklaajushas, ka "donor blood specimens obtained in the US between 2015 and 2018, 50% displayed various forms of T cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2"
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563

https://reason.com/2020/07/01/covid-19-herd-immunity-is-much-closer-than-antibody-tests-suggest-say-2-new-studies/

Kur nu veel paarsteigums, kad atklaajaas, ka publika Aafrikaa ir imuuna pret ebolu, kaut nekad nav bijushi kontaktaa ar slimniekiem.
"95% of survivors had both antibodies or a T cell response to the virus and there was “no significant reduction” in either antibodies or the T cells more than three years after infection. These results suggest naturally acquired immunity is 10 times higher than that delivered by the new Ebola vaccine"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/killer-cells-ebola-immunity-study-could-help-covid-research
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 09:57 pm

Re: 2015, Karl

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Bet bet... tad vakcinas nav nepiecišamas visiem !?

I was watching that infamous Aizliegtais Paņemiens raidijumu. Šunu imunitāte tika minēta - and I quote, ka "šuņu imunitāte ir ļoti lieka loma aizsardzībā nākamajās reizes, kad mēs tiekamies ar izraisītāju." Aizmirsu, kas tas bija par eksperte, tomēr parstāve no EZA apgalvoja ka šunu imunitāte ir ļoti svarīga daļa no imūnreakcijas.

Es pieņemu, ka runa ir par T-šunu imunitāti.

Pārējas 59 minutes runa bija tikai par antivielām.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:01 pm

Re: 2015, Karl

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ha hah - 'liela loma'.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:24 pm

Re: 2015, Karl

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emmm, a ir citi varianti, kā sapotēties?
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:47 pm

Re: 2015, Karl

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Tie, kuri grib potēties var potēties - nav problēma.

Tie, kuri grib dabūt imunitāti caur - piemēram t-cell imunitāti var to darīt.

Ja vakcīnas ir efektīvas, tad nevajadzētu but spiediens uz tiem. kuri negrib potēties vakcinēties.

Mutācijas būs: vakcinētos un nevakcinētos cilvēkos.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 20th, 2021 - 12:22 am

Re: 2015, Karl

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mehh,

par iespējamām mutācijām runā starp pirmo un otro poti, ja? pareizi sapratu? kolibri spārna vēziena efekts haosa teorijā?
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 20th, 2021 - 12:27 am

Re: 2015, Karl

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cita starpā, uzdodies jautājumam, cik bieži tu ikdienā saskaries ar poleomelītu?

es esmu vakcinēts, bet bērnības laikos bieži uz ielas satikos ar jocīgi ejošiem vai ratiņos sēdošiem bērniem ar triekas sekām ķermenī

tagad redzu mazāk vai itnemaz

hmmm var būt ko izdarīja pareizi
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 20th, 2021 - 10:10 am

Re: 2015, Karl

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par polio, es piekritu - bet "In those with muscle weakness about 2 to 5 percent of children and 15 to 30 percent of adults die". Turkļat vakcīna ir pieradīta lieta.

Cvd 19 ir bistāma, lielākoties specifiskām risku grupām. Tu neredzēsi pieaugumu visu-iemeslu mirstībā cilvēku grupas zem 75 gadi Latvijā - pat šinī pandemijas laikā.

Šīs vakcīnas, kurām ir emergency-approval (vai conditional approval) tiek spiestas uz cilvēkiem, kuri nav risku grupās.

Te ir info par nāves un blakus parādībām no MHRA UK: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:02 am
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opā! opā! opapā

tātad tas, kas notika portugālē spānijā

tas, kas notika asv

tas, kas tagad notiek indijā

ir: "Tu neredzēsi pieaugumu visu-iemeslu mirstībā cilvēku grupas zem 75 gadi Latvijā"

nu paldies dievam, ka Latvijā neredzēšu to, kas notiek indijā ;) bet tas nepierāda ka kovid ir nieks kā gripa
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:06 am
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Vai ir pieaugums visu-iemeslu mirstība cilvēku grupas zem 75g ASV, Portugālē, Spanijā, un Indijā?
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:06 am
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tev un man nav tādi dati - man ir dati par smagi slimajiem vienā konkrētā slimnīcā vienā konkrētā covid nodaļā
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:08 am
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lai gan smagākos ved uz infektoloģijas klīniku - no turienes dati būtu svaigāki, citās slimnīcās kovids ir tikai blakus saslimšanas visādiem insultiem krabjiem un citiem
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:08 am
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Vari atrast ja tu gribi.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:09 am
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csp publicē datus ar vismaz pusgada lagu
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:12 am
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:19 am
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paldies, bet lai kvalitatīvi analizētu datus tur jāliek svērtais koeficients

jo no 10 viens nav tas pats kas no simts viens

cik zinu, tad jauniešu skaits korelē ar dzimstību pirms dotā laika termiņa

ir statistika un ir datu analīze
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:23 am
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nevarēji atrast 'pieaugumu', eh?

Vari atrast informāciju par demografiju Latvijā - nav grūti ja nav slinkums.
No tā, kaut kādu secinājumu var izdarīt, ja nav neizdevīgi.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:26 am
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varēju atrast pieaugumu - vecuma grupā no 40+ un sākot no 2020 gada 49 nedēļas, bet kā jau teicu tie ir absolūtās vērtības, tāpēc nav šādā veidā analizējamas
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:27 am
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Vecīt, katru gadu ir spaiks. Ir jāsalidzin ar spikiem no ieprēkšiem gadiem. Es to jau izdarīju savā cibā. Vari iet tur skatīties.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:30 am
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spaikus līdzina, bet tik un tā - tā apstrādāt datus nav korekti, kā jau teicu ir jādarbojas ar svērtajām vērtībām
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:32 am
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goda vārds - you don't think in a time of a great pandemic you would see some kind of increase!?

pizģec, vispār

Piedod, man jāstrāda.
Ata
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 11:03 am
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hehe - nēnu protams, paņemam valsti ar salīdzinoši mazu inficēto skaitu uz populāciju (piemēram latvija pirmajā vilnī), paņemam valsti ar salīdzinoši labi nostādītu medicīnas sistēmu - un tad sākam rakāties pa miršanas datiem un šausmināties, och, my, kur tā pandēmija

da būtu jāpateicas providencei, ka esam šeit nevis kur citur
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 11:32 am
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jesus wept
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 02:36 pm
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nu kad tiec brīvāks, skaties šurp, - tātad katru gadu mirst 40 cilvēku

bet iedzīvotāju skaits samazinās - tobiš jauni nedzimst

un atkal 40, vai bijām 100 vai 1'000 - tobiš miršanas skaitļi itkā nemainās, bet vienā gadījumā mirst 4% populācijas, otrajā 40%

tāpēc arī citējot - "you don't think in a time of a great pandemic you would see some kind of increase!?" - no, if you use just "statistics" contrary to analytics
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 02:47 pm
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jesus continues to weep


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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 02:57 pm
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ak tad tā skan iekšējais bērns? ;)
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 04:34 pm
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Lai tev labi iet, vispār.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 06:30 pm
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Just for the record (and in case it is of any interest to anyone), this is my understanding of this thread:

1: In the context of polio, I agreed with C-19 about the vaccines but point out there is a great difference between that and SARS-Cov2 as the current virus is not a great danger to those under 75 in Latvia. I chose Latvia as I know the stats and - I don't know - we both live here.

2: C-19 responds by saying that I am lucky we live in LV, because in India the situation is different.

3: Though it turns out he doesn't have the data on that.

4: Or on the situation in LV because - well there is a lag on the information, so ...

5: I give him the link to the official record of weekly deaths.

5: Which he considers to be of no use because it isn't per-capita (I mean I am assuming that he is what he means (jo no 10 viens nav tas pats kas no simts viens).

6: I tell him he can look up links to demographic change in LV. It isn't difficult after all - maybe I should have given him the link? I assumed he would understand that meant I knew what per-capita meant. I don't expect him to have read me make reference to the significance of population size in interpreting data in a response to Helvitica, but still.... no?

7: Anyway he finds a spike in the number of all-cause mortality deaths in younger people!

8: Though every year year has a spike, so I tell him he needs to compare it to the spikes of other years. I already did it, and tell him he can look at in an earlier ciba post.

9: To which he responds that it doesn't matter because you need to analyse the data (per-capita).

10: Maybe here, I really should have given him the link to a site showing population in Latvia by age group over time. Maybe that would have helped... It would be a simple calculation to get a general idea. I mean I know, for example, there are more people over 75 in LV than there were 10 years ago. So it isn't hard to do so basic number crunching.

11: But, I don't know. I was getting the feeling I was dealing with a disingenuous specimen. And all this opā, opā, opapā, mehh, emmm huiņa had begun to grate, so...

pizģec

12: To which, like some .... whose mum keeps telling him is a bright spark, he actually tries to explain per-capita to me, as if it had never entered my mind.

The truth is in the data. You can make it per-capita: go on, do it, and see what you come up with.

But, it wouldn't make any difference anyway because we live in Latvia, and in the first wave there wan't much infection. The fact that the data I referenced covered LV's second wave doesn't seem to be relevant. But as the local police chief recently told me, "old boy, don't look for logic.."

It just doesn't matter. None of it.

Look, maybe I misunderstood what he was getting at. LV ain't my native language, and I was in a hurry and distracted by work. Really, maybe I made a big mistake somewhere. If I have, I will put my hand up.

But to me, right now, this thing seems like a cult. And you can't discuss the veracity of the object of the cult's worship with a cult member.

And this guy is not the only one.
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:24 am
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un pat arī - paspēlējos ar vecuma grupām - mirstība apsolūtajās vērtībās ir palielinājusies nevis no 70 gadu vecuma, bet jau no 40-49 vecuma grupā
50-59, 60-69, 70-79 korelē vienas ar otru praktiski identiski un visas lēkā uz augšu

bet nu jā, datus šitā analizēt nedrīkst, ir jāizmanto svērtās vērtības un tad var būt aina būs pavisam savādāka
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:26 am
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"50-59, 60-69, 70-79 korelē vienas ar otru praktiski identiski un visas lēkā uz augšu"

Tev X axis ir no ? līdz ?
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:27 am
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no 2000 gada 1 nedēļas līdz 2021 gada 15 nedēļai
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 21st, 2021 - 10:06 am
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un par tām statistikām - pirmie apmira vecie, tagad slimnīcās nāk arvien jaunāki un arvien aizlaistāki

https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/latvija/arvien-jaunaki-covid-19-slimnieki-un-planveida-arstesanas-atliksana-paaugstina-slodzi-stradinos.a402401/