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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 07:17 pm
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atslēgas vārds ir mutācijas

ja vienīgā panaceja ir vakcinēšanās

jo ātrāka mutācija jo ātrāka vakcinēšanās plus dabīgā izslimotā rezistence pamatvīrusam


un otrādāk - drastiski mutējošam vīrusam un pohujisms viņa populācijas nēsātāju vidū, jo lielāka indija spānija asv un brazīlija tagad
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 07:19 pm
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tobiš jo ātrāk mutē vīruss jo straujāk jāpanāk rezistence populācijā ... pa manam lōģika skaidra
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 07:55 pm
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Man liekas, ka virusa mutācijas arī notiek starp vakcinētiem (links nav uz conspiracy site):

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/10/965940914/covid-19-vaccines-could-add-fuel-to-evolution-of-more-coronavirus-mutations
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From:[info]covid_19
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:25 pm
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un ja divos teikumos, lai nav pazaudēts tulkojumā? vai citādi lasošiem?
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From:[info]begemots
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 09:26 pm
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taisnības labad gan jāpiezīmē, ka covid tiek novērtēts kā lēnāk mutējošs, nekā gripa.

toties stipri lipīgāks, kas to pārsver.

cik lasīju, jaunas vīrusa mutācijas iespēja ir vislielākā tur, kur vienā ķermenī satiekas jau divi dažādi viena vīrusa paveidi.

citiem vārdiem, ja netiksim ar esošo covid galā pietiekami ātri, šis riņķa dancis sāksies par jaunu.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 09:50 pm
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If the dance starts again, then it seems to me that T-cell immunity is the key.
Also, I am sure it will start again. There seems no way it can be stopped unless you are going for zero-covid... but that way lies dystopian insanity :)
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From:[info]begemots
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:08 pm
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Could be.

However, the question then is, who told you that you can only gain T-cell immunity from virus itself?

My first link says (haven't looked further):

Researchers in the United States have shown that the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines are effective at generating T-cell immunity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) – the agent that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

The team found that vaccinated individuals developed robust T-cell responses to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that the virus uses to bind to and infect host cells.

// news-medical.net.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:May 19th, 2021 - 10:15 pm
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Yeah I looked into this yesterday - not peer reviewed :)

Also from my research it seems that the current crop of vaccines aren't focussed on T-cell immunity. So-called "next-generation" vaccines might do so.