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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 8th, 2013 - 08:36 pm
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Atbildēšu angliski, tāpēc ka man tagad ļoti maz laika (pieņemu, ka sapratisi) Ja velies atbildēt, vari mierīgi latviski - es sapratīšu. I think the idea can be compromised (or poisoned) by the method, especially if the idea is an order based on the summoning of a certain kind of national identity and pride during a period of economic repression. It meant that the idea of pure German people in a proud Germany necessitated the idea of the other - and if that 'other' can be scapegoated for the economic ills, then all the better. So, in a sense this persecution of the other went hand in hand with the idea of order, and (in my subjective view) poisoned it from the start.

In my opinion, the control of the supply of money is key to a government's ability to do something constructive for its people - so the 'scapegoats' needn't be some minority 'other', but institutions that perform parasitic functions.
From:[info]kirkegors
Date:January 8th, 2013 - 09:02 pm
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Well, ok, but the idea of a national pride doesn't neccesarily have to include this construction of 'the other' and scapegoating, of course, Hitler did that, and I agree that some species of nationalism mostly tends to circulate around this construction of 'the other' , hatred, feeling superior, etc, but on the other hand, I can't help myself in excluding the entire notion of a national pride and all the positive possibilities which could be conveyed through it to somehow enhance or enrichen our life, or mobilize certain groups of people, note that positive mobilization is also possible as a kind of social mobilization, awareness, etc, for example, a positive nationalism would include preservation of some almost extinct ethnic group which, of course, also have their own unique culture, values, system of beliefs, etc. Let's say, maybe it's supersubjective, but I can't brand Canadian inuit nationalism as 'bad' or negative. Nationalism doesn't necessarily have to include some forms of harassment and elitism. Of course, Hitler was far from that, but still, he was concerned about a similar issue, only the methods were quite dubious. And I don't want to fight against 'the concern' as such, I think, that nevertheless it's better to have some concerns than refuse to see problems or doesn't see them at all. Yes, some concerns have costed us quite a dozen of innocent lives. But still, I contend, that ignorance, indifference and apathy is a bigger genocide and possible threat against ourselves, others and the world around us.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:January 9th, 2013 - 12:21 pm
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Agreed, but I would stress that I wouldn't want that development of national pride to coalesce around the loaded questions of Jim's interviewer. So, kaa jau teicu... uzmaniigi.
From:[info]kirkegors
Date:January 9th, 2013 - 01:48 pm
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Yes, as you already said, the point theoretically was and still is to find some mutual understanding (synthesis, "friendship", etc) between the progressive, liberal, enlightened youth and the ordinary, sturdy, "primordially naive" , common folk, because I think that neither of them have a higher ground in relation to "truth" , they are both almost equally far from it (of course, there is a slight chance, that some are a little bit closer, some are a little bit farther) and they need to make it together.