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[Nov. 25th, 2021|12:37 pm]
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From:[info]wowow
Date:November 27th, 2021 - 06:10 pm
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I think we talk about two different things:
- you are focused on risk of vaccine for unvaccinated vs vaccinated
- I'm focused on risks of vaccine vs getting covid

That same NY Times article:
"Boys between 16 and 19 years of age had the highest incidence of myocarditis after the second dose, according to a second study in the journal. The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age.

The absolute risk is still very small, and the condition temporary. And studies have shown that Covid-19 is much more likely to cause heart problems compared with vaccination.
Based on data available in June, advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unanimously voted to recommend the vaccine, saying the benefits far outweighed the risk. For every million vaccinated boys ages 12 to 17, the shots might cause a maximum of 70 myocarditis cases, but would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalizations and two deaths, the agency has estimated."

I stated my point, you stated yours, I think we can agree to not talking each over each about two different topics.
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From:[info]brookings
Date:November 27th, 2021 - 06:58 pm
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How do they record the side effects for the vaccine? There is huge controversy over the reporting on the Vaers data.

Also, the wording of - a heavily pro-vaccine - CDC, is interesting "might cause" but "would prevent". Note the change in the modal verb. Worthwhile noting when they are - essentially - speculating about both sets of numbers. The effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing transmission is, after all, much lower now than it was when these estimates were made..

Also the NY, which has to be pro-vaccine (in my opinion), states "studies have shown". Which studies? Not, I believe, the Israeli one.

Just a few comments.