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Nov. 27th, 2021|03:04 pm |
> Why do you hold this view when we know that vaccination does not prevent
infection and transmission? Why do you hold this view when we know that vaccination does not prevent infection and transmission? The recent Lancet paper found that the vaccinated had the same viral load as the unvaccinated
Interesting, you sure that this is not another case when you selectively resort on something that fits your beliefs? Have you seen this
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full
"Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant. The impact of vaccination decreased over time. Factors other than PCR-measured viral load are important in vaccine-associated transmission reductions. Booster vaccinations may help control transmission together with preventing infections."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v1
"Using the model of household transmission, we estimated that receipt of two doses of the vaccine was associated with an age-adjusted vaccine effectiveness against susceptibility to infection (VES) of 80.5% (95% confidence interval (CI): 78.9%, 82.1%) and a vaccine effectiveness against infectiousness given infection (VEI) of 41.3% (95% CI: 9.5%, 73.0%). The vaccine effectiveness against transmission (VET), which combines the reduction in the risk of infection and the risk of infectiousness given infection among vaccinated individuals, was estimated to be 88.5% (95% CI: 82.3%, 94.8%)."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1.full-text
"Our results indicate that vaccination confers protection against onward transmission from vaccinated index cases, albeit somewhat less for Delta than for Alpha. Vaccine effectiveness against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts is stronger than to vaccinated household contacts, with the latter already largely protected from infection, and especially from severe disease, by their own vaccine-induced immunity, but differences in risk behavior may also play a role. Possible waning of vaccine effectiveness against infection and against onward transmission could result in increases in SARS-CoV-2 circulation among populations with high vaccine coverage. As full vaccination remains highly effective in preventing severe disease, also for Delta, a high vaccination coverage remains the key to control the COVID-19 pandemic"
Second - and this goes to all of you - vax-concerned, vax-obsessed and anti-vax people, should be also a good self-test for everyone keeping strong opinions on any particular topic. Ask yourself - can data change my mind? what data would change my mind? can such data even exist? Is it possible to get to such data right know? am I already too strongly invested in my opinion that it's not a opinion anymore - it's faith? because we well know that there's no way we can convince faithful with data - ask flat earthers.
> However, genuinely, I cannot find evidence so many football players were collapsing before.
Sure, there was also no pandemic like this before at least in my lifetime. Was it vaccine? Was it infection? Have they been covid-ill before? Or maybe it is regime change after long lockdowns? You are quite quick to jump to conclusions, I would say - this is something of concern - let the doctors investigate and come out with their conclusions.
> But if I am right, what then? If this phenomenon has been increasing post vaccine, we should surely stop forcing (and this is happening) young people to have it until a thorough investigation has been carried out, vai nee?
But if you are wrong, what then? Should we wait 1,3, 5 years? 10 years before we totally sure? Do we know long term impact on kids that have been ill with covid? That's how it was before - vaccines had very long and very expensive testing periods. Nothing of this is like normal, like before, not covid itself, not speed with which vaccines have been developer/rolled out, not amount of research that have become open sourced, freely available on internet for everyone to see, follow, deep dive in. New times, strange times, uncertain times, scary times. |
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